Just as capitalist states are “authoritarian” against working class interests, socialist states are “authoritarian” against capitalist interests.

The state is a tool for one class to oppress another. The goal of (most) communists is to transition from capitalism — where the capitalist class is in power — to a stateless, classless communist society via socialism — where the working class is in power.

Public perception of which is more “authoritarian” therefore depends on which class is currently in power and is able to manufacture consent, and that is the capitalist class in the vast majority of the world right now since the USSR’s overthrow.

• What is “Authoritarianism”?

Incredibly based.

Same thing that would happen if sanctions on Afghanistan were lifted. Regular people’s lives would improve as the country could import what they need. Cuba is really lacking in cement and medical supplies for example iirc (though their medical system and education is world-class), and they can’t import them cuz of the embargo.

Obviously not much would change in the US, aside from some people realizing socialism isn’t too bad when you’re not a tiny country sanctioned and blockaded by the most war-mongering nation in the world.

Instead it’s filled with zionazi and anti-piracy filth.

I prefer my filth Marxist and materialist flavoured thank you very much.

Well yeah? The only countries accusing China of mishandling the ETIM in Xinjiang (an issue created by the US through Afganistan btw) are the ones committing an actual genocide in Palestine, i.e imperial core countries. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, Global South and Muslim countries in general are against the western propaganda about it.

20 . Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People’s Republic of China.

Sure lib lol

Think you’ve gotten me confused with op? Anyway yeah it’s funny seeing libs like you never have anything to back up their worthless opinions

Funny thread, figures you don’t actually have anything of substance to say ig lol

genocide

Jesus christ, you don’t seem to realize how much of a fucked up accusation that is to throw around. Even the US State Department, who would love to claim any and all accusations against their geopolitical rivals, says there’s no mass killings in China, probably because the US couldn’t cause one like they did in 1965 in Indonesia.

Even if it’s not intentional, these kinds of thoughtless claims downplay actual mass killings like the one Israel is perpetrating against native Palestinians right now.

far-rights co opting leftist language to grab power

Hence why it’s important to scrutinize news, sources and claims, and not throw around baseless ones.

I do think we need a democratically elected authority though, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for their own selfish profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now with Israel. And rising inequality as wealth gathers at the top.

Perhaps a governing system like Cuba’s, which is Socialist and has one of the most open democracies in the world. It has an unusually high percentage of women in the government compared to the rest of the world thanks to that; 53.22% now (U.S has 29.0%), and better LGBT rights than the US nowadays. Also free healthcare, and enough free high level education to provide Italy with doctors during the pandemic, despite the ongoing 60 year US embargo.

Isn’t that a .world user? Lemmygrad doesn’t allow homophobes as a rule. Probably why they couldn’t register on that instance.

Being gay and imperialist is a hilarious thought though lol

he lives inside a paranoid nightmare

Lmao I wouldn’t go that far. But we can’t all see eye-to-eye ig unfortunately.

What the fuck

If they were popular, they wouldn’t have needed China

Why wouldn’t commoners in a feudal slave state not want help from a nearby government whose views match their own?

just like the US supported revolutionaries that overthrew their governments

The US overthrew democratically elected popular governments, like Mosaddegh’s in Iran, or Salvador Allende’s in Iraq, replacing the latter with a military dictatorship, because their policies benefitted their own countries instead of the US.

Their are no us military bases in Iraq and all the oil money goes to Iraq.

…What? There are still military bases in Iraq even now, and the economic dependence on the US that Iraq is now in is exactly what the US wanted/wants. ExxonMobil, Chevron etc. extracting oil for cheap from a war-torn country that doesn’t have a choice; even CNN admits it.

China invaded and annexed them.

Again, the popular Tibetan revolutionary party fought the feudal rule and welcomed Chinese intervention; their views were in line with the rest of China, and the autonomous nature of the region while being part of China reflects that.

the US invasion of Iraq

Not even comparable. There were no popular pro-US movements fighting Saddam’s rule, and Iraq was destabilized in the first place because of US sanctions, not Saddam’s decisions unlike the feudalism in Tibet. This was purely a strategic invasion to set up military bases and secure oil and resources by making up false claims of WMDs.

Well shit, ig I’m a far right reactionary now

I don’t think they’re pro-Putin? Seem to be as much against Russian imperialism and capitalism as they are against US’s.

Edit: Lmao one of the first comments I saw on there:

Putin will be a narcissistic fence sitter who abuses power for his own ends

So yeah, not very “pro-Putin”

Very mature of you. Brought alot to the discussion.

you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think

Shouldn’t we look at different sources and scrutinize events and claims thoroughly? You seem to be thinking you’re being objective by taking a centrist position on these but this

China invaded and occupied Tibet

is a western claim, and exactly what the US and EU wants its citizens to think by drawing a false equivalence between them and their geopolitical rival. Tibet had a popular revolutionary party whose views were in line with the rest of China that wanted China’s help overthrowing the Dalai Lama, under whom slavery and serfdom was common in the region. There absolutely were factions supporting the prior feudal rule, but chalking that up to “China invaded and occupied Tibet” is absurd and extremely misleading. Tibet is an autonomous region now.

Hell, the Tibetan uprising against the Chinese government later on was organized by the CIA, and the US is open about it and even proud of it now. Here’s a book on that written by a US district judge and a journal by a professor on Tibetan studies. It’s similar to how the US overthrew the democratically elected Mosaddegh in Iran because his policies would benefit Iran instead of the US.

They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done

That’s a heavy oversimplification of everything on there… I see the folks on grad being mad about bad decisions by China just the same; they just heavily scrutinize negative news for bias or misinfo, as people should do for everything.

If you do scrutinize your news and sources, I think it’s only natural that you’d end up being very anti-west/imperialism, and far less anti-China, specially considering the grip western media and news have on the world. The two are just not equivalent at all.

The People of Tibet might disagree there

Here’s an example of that. The fact that China’s education system makes sure ~90% of Tibetans can speak their cultural language compared to the ~8% of North Americans that can speak theirs means they’re just not equivalent. The only countries accusing China of such a fucked up crime like cultural repression are western ones with a political/economic interest for doing so. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this and Xinjiang.

Being vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It’s the logical extreme opposite of “a certain group of people are superior to everyone else”: “everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free”

You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now.

Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn’t block because of their inherent western bias. Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries for their resources, or overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.