Please dont call Chomsky into a debate about the word hierarchy, he has such bad takes when it comes to that. “Justified hierarchy” und such things…

Besides that, in my eyes we don’t need unified definitions and theories. Its more important to make sure people unterstand each others words when going into a dicsussion/dialogue.

Yeah you are just talking out of your ass here

Not everyone is in places where this is a reasonable approach. And not everyone wants to protest peacefully.

There will probably many different answers because there are many flavors of anarchism. We all share the same antiauthoritian spirit but we come all from differen starting points.

Talking from my perspective, I cant put my viee on anarchism in better words than this text: To Change Everything - an anarchist appeal by crimethinc

I dont see any consistency even when I just look at Trumps messaging. The platform Republicans ran on also changed significantly in the last two decades

I am not doing left unity. Sure there are some common grounds, but most often there are also clear incompatibilities. I do not think someone calling themself leftist is enough for me to work with them.

Instead I want to be able to agree or compromise on these points:

• shared vision for the future
• what we want to do in a practical sense
• preferences for managing relationships(like how to organize, etc)

Of course this results in a pretty limited range of folks/groups I am happy to work with. In my case its mostly anarchists. But in singular contexts(like antifascist action and mutual aid) or in projects of limited scope like organizing a demonstration the alignement of these points is often enough for me to consider it.

But that did not kill the protesting, did it?

You mean Portland where they rioted for 100+ night in the row in 2020?

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-race-and-ethnicity-id-state-wire-or-state-wire-b57315d97dd2146c4a89b4636faa7b70

Just taking this chance to link the !abolition@slrpnk.net community here on Lemmy.

What I mean is that there’s no way to organize mutual aid in a crisis situation if there’s no previous mutual aid organization before because mutual aid won’t emerge from nothing. Mutual aid takes years or even decades to be organized.

I think many desaster responses actually show the opposite. Mutual aid can emerge spontaneously, structures get build within hours and people show that despite it all, they can help each other out.

Having knowledge, pre existing organizations and a more social day to day life can of course have a hugr positive impact

Living your life is one of the most anarchist things you can do in my opinion.

The crowded plazas owner might restrict you tho. Various well known anarchist accounts such as crimethinc where banned by corporate social media. Also you have to follow many rules to not get banned.

(I still think its valid to be on corporate social media to spread propaganda, but its not as easy as an actual plaza where you can directly communicate with people)

You’re not the right kind of anarchist

I think doing this is unkind and wasting a chance to educate a (potential) companion.

@OP When you use “goverment” instead of state, some people get reminded of american right wingers and right-wing libertarians which use that word most often in the public discourse. Most anarchist use different vocabulary like “state” because its clearer defined and because it is based on anarchist theory that goes back hundreds of years. Personally I think its pretty clear what you are talking about in that sentence and its unfair to call you “not the right kind of anarchist” because of that.

Online “Marxists” licking the boots of fascist and somehow acting like that it will help the working class smh

It so often feels like its more important to them to win every online argument than actual liberation.

Anarchy is about living. Its against anything that that stops folks from actually living and thriving. It does so by maximizing peoples autonomy in their lives and by giving them actual self determination. For this we have to look at every part of our lives, our society, our world and scrub it free from domination. TBH just what crimethinc says in To Change Everything - an anarchist appeal lol

I saw it in a left wing collective cafe on the bathroom wall, so I think in this context I never would have thiught about it like that

Really, if you ask yourself “what would happen to someone in an anarchist society who killed a serial killer/rapist/molester/etc etc in revenge” and the answer is “little or nothing” you probably have your answer to how that society would handle serial killers, rapists, molesters, etc.

A rapist/murderer might be just a rapist/murderer to some, to others the person might alsl be friend, relative, lover, child or parent. While I do not see myself in the position to stop someones revenge against their abuser or the killer of a loved one, I really hope this will not be the norm. Because as I said, the killed person might have people that care about them that most likely will get hurt by this and also might want to do revenge for that. I also believe that the act of killing can be very harmful to those doing the killing.

I think anarchist societies should focus on prevention and doing things that actually help those that got harmed, which might vary widely by the individual.

I think there are far more alternatives and also ways to mix them.

One more alternative would be constant care taking by one or more people. In case the community cant/doesnt want to provide that full time, it might be possible to mix this with other options that might reduce the persons autonomy.

However, as I understand it, at times the only real way to protect the community in the society we currently live in seems to be talking with the pigs.

I think this is true in some situations and imo its okay to call the cops in a situation that not only endangers the community but also oneself. Like people trying to physically harm you and you don’t have any safer alternatives to protect yourself. Sadly many people are not part of communities that enable them to fully skip every interaction with cops.

To your serial killer example: If in your hypothetical situation there is a key benefit in turning the evidence over to the police in comparison to just publishing it so everyone(including the police)/only your local community can access the evidence, I dont see why not. Its also not something I would call “snitching”.

In an anarchistic society the serial killer could be sent to the psych ward and dealt with humanely.

Also I just want to mention, I think this is not something with a consensus in anarchist circles.