Summary:
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Mod of an inactive community is upset that I try to build !leagueoflegends@lemm.ee rather than !leagueoflegends@lemmy.world and removes a comment encouraging a user to crosspost their question
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Mod action: https://lemmy.world/comment/14369112
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They then come to the lemm.ee community and use incorrect data such as “this community has no posts by other people than you” (it does, 4 posts in the last 11 days, while theirs had 2 in the last month) https://sopuli.xyz/post/21608236?scrollToComments=true
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They accuse me to be on a “vendetta” against LW while I’m the main poster on !lego@lemmy.world , !photography@lemmy.world , !gardening@lemmy.world and !homeimprovement@lemmy.world
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they try to bargain the consolidation of !television@lemmy.world and !showsandmovies@lemm.ee , while that has nothing to do with the league of legends communities (television and showsandmovies were both active, here the LW version hasn’t had a post in the last 23 10 days)
The whole post seems strange to me, what do you all think?
Additional context: https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/
we think flat earthers should be more respected than leftists on our instance
People rush faster off lw
lw harrases people posting elsewhere
Does lw have the same PR philosophy of musk and spez?
I’ve seen a lot of LW users behaving like this.
They want a single comm per topic, preferably in LW; and everyone should go to that comm, no dissidence allowed. Always talking about “not splitting efforts”, or some FUD like “unless we gather together Lemmy will never succeed”.
And, when you tell them a clear “no”, they throw a tantrum. Like Serinus did there.
I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn’t get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it’s a feature.
Anyway, I’d call that FAPTB (failed attempt of powertripping).EDIT: wow, they removed your mention of the other comm! Talk about pettiness. PTB.I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn’t get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it’s a feature.
Maybe we should point them out to Discuit and their 181 weekly active users: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/NlAdOWAp
Some people indeed don’t seem to understand that if Lemmy has 43k monthly active users, it’s thanks to the different instances and community. Would ml been a single forum, most of the people wouldn’t have even registered. LW could have a decent following, but the regular debatable policy updates would have probably pushed people away.
Sounds like Discuit should add apub integration. At this day and age it honestly baffles me that people like the devs of raddle and discuit go all like “No we don’t want to talk to anyone else. You have to join our walled garden!”
There are at least 4 or 5 forums on /r/Redditalternatives which could definitely benefit from ActivityPub, but they don’t see the appeal.
One of them even asks for people credit card information to avoid bots
There are at least 4 or 5 forums on /r/Redditalternatives which could definitely benefit from ActivityPub, but they don’t see the appeal.
Ye I know, it’s fucking bizarre. Every 6 months, a new reddit alternative comes up which doesn’t have apub and expects to get user by sheer charm or smt.
One of them even asks for people credit card information to avoid bots
Lol, at an age where people are preconditioned to assume this means a subscription lock-in and the rest don’t even own one, I wonder how many people took them up on that offer.
I also love the naivety of thinking $3 once will stop spammers. As if that wouldn’t be a perfectly cheap amount to pay to spam all their users if they had a lot of them. Twitter has $8 a pop and it’s innundated with spam
Ye I know, it’s fucking bizarre. Every 6 months, a new reddit alternative comes up which doesn’t have apub and expects to get user by sheer charm or smt.
Well put. It’s a bit disheartening, because people put time and energy in those projects, that could be used to develop the existing open source platforms…
Software devs and their “I can build this better from scratch in one weekend” mentality, mate…
Maybe its old age and laziness, but at least 99 times out of 100 I think “someone else built this better from scratch in a weekend, I should check some git repos first”.
If I find nothing, start a project, get it functional, and then randomly run across exactly what I’m looking for (or close enough with minor updates I can send upstream).
.world mods and admins are just seething right now because they were unsuccessful in moving 196 to .world. The whole community just fucked off to !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
This behaviour will just continue, its what .world is destined to do because they think we need them.
Y’all are assigning way to much maliciousness to the people running a non-profit.
I usually trust LW, especially Ruud. One point I just don’t get is why staying federated with Threads
I do think the L.W. position is a bit too status-quo, but being misguided isn’t the same as being a mustache twirling villain
i think it was ruud who banned me for antiwhite racism from political memes, purely because Iinked readsettlers.org .
I trust him as a sysadmin. Not sure he does that much moderation these days
I actually think that’s part of the problem. If you don’t eat your own dogfood, you don’t know where the problems are.
ruud isn’t and hasn’t for a long time been involved in LW moderation at all. the last moderation type site admin action taken by ruud was september 2023. all LW site moderation is done by the LW site admin team and to some extent our community team.
the LW team operates more or less independently from the rest of the instances we have at FHF. some topics are discussed in the wider circle of moderators across instances (same role, just different terminology depending on the software) but decisions are generally still on the LW site admin team.
Makes sense, thank you for confirming
True, but at the same time maybe he doesn’t want to talk on Lemmy that much. Also I think they also manage Mastodon, that would be something to stay active there regularly too
Yes, but again, this is part of the problem. Ruud deciding to host and maintain a dozen fediverse services he doesn’t use personally is a choice, which has these sort of effects.
I personally run lemmy and only lemmy because I use it all the time and know exactly what’s happening here and what the drama is and can put my development time into improving my instance.
Why is a decentralised instance in a decentralised social network infrastructure wanting to be the centralised instance.
IMO, Lemmy.world is a greater risk to Lemmy than Meta’s threads.
i think the sublinks dev is ongoing, they said they wanted to switch to that and eventually cut ties to lemmy. They probably want the largest userbase to take with them
i think the sublinks dev is ongoing,
It’s halted at the moment. !piefed_meta@piefed.social is usable
oh god whats the story on that? Why are people so adamant on splintering?
Sublinks main dev got a child.
Piefed dev knew Python and not Java
but why reinvent the wheel it’s such a waste of effort
Languages are different, not all people know all of them.
If you get a book draft in Persian, are you going to continue writing in that language, or will you translate to one of your main languages?
Honestly, If I wasn’t on lemmy atm, I’d be hosting piefed because I know python and it’s much easier to develop.
But I thought they had multiple devs?
I’m in that Matrix, things stopped happening around 6 months ago.
Or they have a chat without me 😄
Yeah duh, thats why everyone is pissed at .world. Their admins also didnt sign the anti meta petition (fedipact) and for that and many other reasons are defederated by other instances.
Imo the fedipact is silly. It shouldn’t be a reason to defederate from someone
Nobody is deferating because someone didn’t sign the fedi pact, but people do bring that as a con for that instance.
lemmy.flatworld at it again lmao, my bet is that they want to control all the main communities on the fediverse (the irony lol) and you don’t seem like you would play ball
Doesn’t really have anything to do directly with LW. This is one person, who happens to be a mod of a community on LW, being mad at someone for having the same community somewhere else.Edit: oooh, he’s part of the LW staff 😂
I’m 100% behind Blaze.
- https://feddit.org/post/5632529
- https://feddit.org/post/6136500
- https://feddit.org/post/6965425
- https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/
Someone on the LW Community Team, and able to lock down communities, has more rights than a normal LW mod
There is a battle between ML and world for this.
Really need people seeding communities on smaller servers
i have never seen such drama from .ml, which would be odd since its run by the devs who built this platform for the fediverse in the first place
I just blocked LW, not that I really have anything against it, there is just too much drama. (IE what you’re seeing trying to migrate your community)
90% of the posts in my ‘feed’ were from LW, even though it made up less than 20% of the communities I was subscribed to.
Moving away from LW is the best thing for the health of the fediverse in the long run. There is too much liability on that single instance, and they’re only going to get more restrictive to cover their legal liabilities - and I don’t really blame them. If people continue to centralize there, it will only guarantee a large future collapse and migration similar to reddit July-2023.
Decentralization = stability. It’s the whole point of the fediverse.
Thank you for suggesting lemmy.zip btw, it’s so much nicer. A lot less stressful. I’ve been meaning to migrate some communities (I have to get the time to put a poll together to see if that’s what people want).
Am I just using Lemmy differently from these people? I want to find a community, I go to search, it pulls up all connected instances, I pick which one has the highest subscribe count regardless of what instance it’s on and use it like any other community. (Well, minus tankie instances). It’s really no trouble if it’s somewhere else and half the times I don’t even notice.
Here’s additional context that Blaze conveniently left out.
https://lemmy.world/post/24470619
I’d be 100% on the Lemm.ee community if it had the history the LW one does.
This has very little to do with LW, and is about the effort I’ve put into this community over the last two years compared to Blaze’s efforts that started 16 days ago and seem manipulative and malicious.
mate, listen to me, this is counter-productive. complaining that someone prefers to talk about a subject in a different instance just makes you look salty. If your community has more active people, and given than the fact that you built a whole app for it you seem to be very invested in it, it will organically become the de-facto one.
People will naturally orient themselves to whichever comm is the most active. Trying to force this activity by doing things like censoring links to other comms, will only backfire.
I don’t pretend to even begin to understand a lot of the details here especially about the game itself (though I thought you made an excellent point about the “off season” to explain why the lower amount of posts was a temporary situation), but if it helps to hear an outsider’s perspective, wouldn’t the whole situation have been received better if you had offered a counterargument to the comment rather than simply remove it, i.e. as the recent LW announcement post was saying?
Though ultimately a mod’s community belongs to them and they shouldn’t have to put up with advertisements to other competitors in it if they don’t want. Was Blaze spamming such comments over and over rather than this being the first time? Did he ask and get permission first to promote the new community, or have some reason to think that the other had been abandoned? (Maybe that’s the “off-season” relevance part) - except even if the community had been, your account as a mod is still active, so why not ask you first?
Sadly it seems like there is some kind of communication breakdown between the two of you. Blaze is not perfect and even if meaning well, seems to have overstepped here - being a mod of one community does not entitle someone to make decisions about some other community. So that’s on him, but to state the obvious: just make sure that your reactions in return are up to your own standards, rather than allow the feelings of betrayal win the day.
It seems this could have been handled so much better on both sides. And yes, that’s easy for me to say from so far away, while much harder to do when it’s my own cherished works on the line:-).
I typically post about the North American league, which starts this Saturday. The professional scene is usually pretty quiet between November and January (inclusive).
https://lolesports.com/en-US?leagues=lta_n
The lemm.ee community effectively didn’t exist 16 days ago.
Then that is on Blaze for assuming things wrongly (best case scenario, unless there is evidence for worse). However, you posted that announcement saying that Lemmy.World mods must use words rather than going straight for the moderation tools right? So this isn’t a good look to use one set of rules for others but a different set for yourself? Admittedly I am too far away from this to see it properly, though if it helps, it does look like both of you made missteps here.
If they’re just saying something you don’t like, respectfully, and they’re not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.
Great advice.
Oh, so now you recognise that Blaze is a manipulative wanker? Yet you somehow missed this small fact when you blocked Carnivore community last week after being prompted by the same manipulative wanker?
This is looking a lot like a personal attack tbh. This community is about holding mods/admin to account, not for personal attacks on other users. Blaze has (from my own personal experience) consistently been working to help promote small instances and provide alternatives to communities hosted on the larger instances. While that may not be great from LW’s perspective, I think it’s good for the fediverse as a whole. This whole situation feels like it could easily be resolved with a good faith discussion between all parties involved tbh.
No. Blaze has done everything to manipulate Serinus to get him to ban Carnivore community by constantly lying, dramatising and exaggerating. He is as far away from “helping small instances” as I can think of - he is a manipulative wanker and I am glad that Serinus may have noticed that this time.
OPs post isn’t about the Carnivore community. If you think there was a power trippin’ mod action related to banning that community then please post about it in a separate post, rather than hijacking this thread. Thanks.
