You got a source on that? Not to be rude, but it sounds like the nonsense that meat eaters in denial tell each other like “fish can’t feel pain”, even though when you poke a fish, it obviously reacts to that.
While I agree with your argument about the source, I’ll nitpick your example.
external stimulus does not mean something feels something. just because you flipped your light switch doesn’t mean your lightbulb gets angry and glows. same for living organisms.
IMO a better example is how fish can be aggressive to other fish, and this can cause psychological reactions that can be observed; scale loss, lethargy, starvation, increased aggression, death. IMO if an organism can exhibit observable psychological responses, it has the capacity to feel.
Personally, I like it as an example here, because yes, technically you can’t know for sure that a fish feels pain, much like you can’t know for sure that a cat feels empathy, but it’s illogical to assume that if we don’t know about it that it doesn’t have it. The base assumption should be that these animals are similar to us, because they’re really not that different from us.
In particular, pain and empathy are crucial to survival for us. It would be extraordinary, if fish and cats survived without any notion of it.
You got a source on that? Not to be rude, but it sounds like the nonsense that meat eaters in denial tell each other like “fish can’t feel pain”, even though when you poke a fish, it obviously reacts to that.
While I agree with your argument about the source, I’ll nitpick your example.
external stimulus does not mean something feels something. just because you flipped your light switch doesn’t mean your lightbulb gets angry and glows. same for living organisms.
IMO a better example is how fish can be aggressive to other fish, and this can cause psychological reactions that can be observed; scale loss, lethargy, starvation, increased aggression, death. IMO if an organism can exhibit observable psychological responses, it has the capacity to feel.
Personally, I like it as an example here, because yes, technically you can’t know for sure that a fish feels pain, much like you can’t know for sure that a cat feels empathy, but it’s illogical to assume that if we don’t know about it that it doesn’t have it. The base assumption should be that these animals are similar to us, because they’re really not that different from us.
In particular, pain and empathy are crucial to survival for us. It would be extraordinary, if fish and cats survived without any notion of it.