Yeah it’s very hit and miss though, and potentially the bank could require strong Play Store integrity, which can only be achieved with a clean keybox file (hard to find).
With regards to contactless purchases, you’re actually better off doing it with the physical card contactless, in terms of consumer rights. A contactless card purchase is processed as “Cardholder not present”, where the seller assumes some of the liability for verifying the transaction is legit. With such a purchase you can easily argue that someone stole your card and made transactions without your permission, making it easier to claim under consumer protection laws.
This type of purchase has existed for decades and was used for catalogue purchases as well as early internet purchases. If you make a purchase with your card and PIN, or your phone with its PIN, then the purchase is considered authenticated by you and it will be harder to argue it wasn’t you. These days a lot of internet purchases are also authenticated (often by SMS or apps) but a contactless card purchase is not.
potentially the bank could require strong Play Store integrity
From reading GrapheneOS posts, that happens often. It’s really frustrating to be a paying customer and suddenly shunted out of the app (and thus practically the bank) because they can’t get their lips off of the Google exhaust pipe. We might need to start a coordinated movement to tell the EU to regulate this kind of shit.
It does happen often, and it changes over time. For example, my HSBC app used to work just fine without Play Store at all, then it requried some integrity, now it requires strong integrity.
Yes there are. Some can be made to mostly work without Google Services, and the majority do work perfectly well with microG.
I have apps from three different banks (I know, ridiculous, but there are reasons) on my /e/OS Fairphone 4 and as far as I can tell they all work 100%.
Are there any banks that really work without google services? I hope the EU will force banks to work without google services someday.
My bank works on LineageOS.
Everything? Even payments with the phone?
You can try Curve as a contactless payment. I works without Google: Curve on /e/os
I see that it’s an intermediary, not a bank. You need to have a bank account first with a VISA or Mastercard and that’s what’s connected to Curve.
But thanks for pointing it out.
And Google Wallet is also not a bank…
I don’t use and have never used Google Wallet. Why are you saying this?
I haven’t seen any bank apps that support mobile payments. They always integrate with Google Pay instead.
As in contactless payment at a terminal? No that requires google wallet. But if you mean making transfers yes.
I should’ve said contactless payments. But good to know that there’s a bank out there which has at least a functional app without google play.
Yeah it’s very hit and miss though, and potentially the bank could require strong Play Store integrity, which can only be achieved with a clean keybox file (hard to find).
With regards to contactless purchases, you’re actually better off doing it with the physical card contactless, in terms of consumer rights. A contactless card purchase is processed as “Cardholder not present”, where the seller assumes some of the liability for verifying the transaction is legit. With such a purchase you can easily argue that someone stole your card and made transactions without your permission, making it easier to claim under consumer protection laws.
This type of purchase has existed for decades and was used for catalogue purchases as well as early internet purchases. If you make a purchase with your card and PIN, or your phone with its PIN, then the purchase is considered authenticated by you and it will be harder to argue it wasn’t you. These days a lot of internet purchases are also authenticated (often by SMS or apps) but a contactless card purchase is not.
From reading GrapheneOS posts, that happens often. It’s really frustrating to be a paying customer and suddenly shunted out of the app (and thus practically the bank) because they can’t get their lips off of the Google exhaust pipe. We might need to start a coordinated movement to tell the EU to regulate this kind of shit.
It does happen often, and it changes over time. For example, my HSBC app used to work just fine without Play Store at all, then it requried some integrity, now it requires strong integrity.
From good to bad to worse
Don’t know if mine works on lineageOS but the contactless payments are done via an additional app and is entirely independent of google wallet.
Edit: apparently the app works on lineageOS. So if you live in Germany, choose any Sparkasse and use their banking
Yes there are. Some can be made to mostly work without Google Services, and the majority do work perfectly well with microG.
I have apps from three different banks (I know, ridiculous, but there are reasons) on my /e/OS Fairphone 4 and as far as I can tell they all work 100%.