Isn’t it ironic to you that you wanted to ask me to read an entire book for your point, but you’re now assuming I want you to watch a gasp half hour video, though I never asked that?
I already watched the video. I’m saying it’s unrealistic of you to ask me to go back and keep restarting it to transcribe it for you.
Evidence is not bible stories. Evidence is archaeological artefacts or bones or literally anything physical that is not some guy’s stories. This is not hard. I’m only asking for ONE example.
The reason you’re asking me to transcribe the video is because I timestamped the exact moment for you where it addressed this as a completely unrealistic demand and that no serious historian would expect to find any or find it a compelling argument against his existence.
There are no examples, nor should that be a problem for a historians. Which is why I brought up the example of William Shakespeare and Alexander the Great.
But yeah, I’m the troll because you’d rather spend an hour harassing me about explaining the basics of the scientific discipline of history instead of watching 2 minutes of a 20 minute video.
Jesus Christ, I never asked you to transcribe a video, what are you even on about? YOU suggested that. Stop ascribing your batshit requests to me.
I asked for ONE thing:
Give me one piece of evidence to support your claim.
That’s all.
It’s simple, and something a child could understand.
For instance, we know Australopithecus existed because we’ve found bones.
It’s that simple.
‘We know Jesus existed because we found his grave.’
Or
‘We know Jesus existed because…’ [insert the evidence].
How is this hard?
e: it’s become very clear you can’t do this one simple thing, yet you can’t stop talking, trying to move on to the next thing as though you already have, but nobody reading this is dumb enough for that to work. That’s what makes you a troll – your inability to address the point as you try to distract from the actual topic. I’ll not move on from the original point until you address it, so this tactic will not work.
Jesus Christ, I never asked you to transcribe a video, what are you even on about?
You didn’t specifically ask me to transcribe the video, but you would realize if I did transcribe the video that it is the exact answer to your question and answers every issue you’ve raised.
So as you keep pestering me over and over again for “one piece of physical evidence” I’m frustrated by the fact you’re basically just demanding me to transcribe it instead of watching it yourself.
I asked for ONE thing:
Give me one piece of evidence to support your claim.
That’s all.
I listed like 8 contemporary sources written by people who knew of him in the early 1st century including some people (like Paul) who would have personally met his disciples.
What I have given you is what historians consider valid evidence. That you have a problem with it is your issue with the field of history, not my lack of evidence.
It’s simple, and something a child could understand.
But yet here we are.
For instance, we know Australopithecus existed because we’ve found bones.
It’s that simple.
Dude how many times do i have to repeat myself. You’re not going to find bones. Give up on the bones.
How is this hard?
It’s impossible.
No physical evidence exists of almost any Palestinian at that time.
Bones are created in very specific conditions, the real Jesus would by all likelihood have been thrown into a mass grave. If I had a 2000 year old bone how would we even prove it was Jesus?
Historians look at the earliest contemporary sources written about him to judge if he exists, and all modern historians agree that by scrutinizing and comparing these documents a man named Yeshua probably existed, he was probably from Nazareth and he was probably crucified.
If that’s not good enough for you that’s really not my fault. It’s simply what the evidence is and how history works.
All right, let’s start again with no more assumptions about what you think I might possibly mean.
Literally, you said there was evidence of Jesus’s existence.
I literally only asked for one example of said evidence.
Your claim.
I am not asking for books or videos, but the mere mention of ONE piece of the evidence you claimed existed. Not opinions, not historians saying they believe it, but actual evidence. That is all.
All right, let’s start again with no more assumptions about what you think I might possibly mean.
I know exactly what you mean.
Literally, you said there was evidence of Jesus’s existence.
Yes, due to the fact I agree with historians that contemporary sources are evidence, I say there is evidence.
I literally only asked for one example of said evidence.
And I gave you 8 contemporary sources and listed more.
The issue is that you disagree with the scientific community this is valid and are demanding physical evidence.
I’ve told you multiple times no physical evidence exists. It’s an impossible demand, and there’s nothing to show you.
I am not asking for books or videos
You asked if I had any other evidence but what i gave you or if we were done here and I said “yes we are done here” because there’s nothing fucking else to give you. Get that through your dumb skull holy shit. How are we this many comments deep into you still not getting there’s no physical evidence and I have never claimed there to be.
If your default position is to disagree with the overwhelming consensus of scientists, but then instead of learning even the slightest about what they’re saying you choose to argue with randos on social media about it you’re just anti intelligence. You’re choosing to be dumber on purpose. I’m not here for that shit.
You clearly don’t know what I mean, since I’ve said repeatedly that other people’s claims or beliefs don’t constitute evidence.
I asked for actual evidence. If you have none, you could have said that near the beginning of this conversation rather than whatever you’ve been doing.
You also clearly don’t know what I mean since you’ve been attributing random meanings to me that have been wrong every time. I don’t have nefarious purposes, I actually just want the actual evidence you claimed to have, and I don’t put stock in people’s stories, because people are often mistaken for many reasons. For evidence to be taken seriously , it should not rely on subjective accounts.
So it sounds like you don’t have evidence, you have stories.
If you have none, you could have said that near the beginning of this conversation rather than whatever you’ve been doing.
Once I realized you had a radically strict criteria for what types of evidence could be considered “actual evidence” far and beyond what the most serious scholars and historians would apply, I did say that.
Right here I said we were done and I had nothing more I could give you.
You also clearly don’t know what I mean since you’ve been attributing random meanings to me that have been wrong every time. I don’t have nefarious purposes, I actually just want the actual evidence you claimed to have
I gave you the evidence I claimed to have.
You want evidence I never claimed to have, but which you mistakenly think I did.
and I don’t put stock in people’s stories, because people are often mistaken for many reasons. For evidence to be taken seriously , it should not rely on subjective accounts.
Are you sure?
Earlier you told me we know Australopithecus existed because we found their bones.
I believe some scientist may have found a bone, but why do you accept its as old as they say it is, why do you accept it belonged to a distinct species called Australopithecus? Where’s the physical evidence of that?
In between the Australopithecus and the homo sapien there are quite a few missing links that need stories to fill them in.
Maybe they migrated this way in this period? Maybe the water was lower and there was an ice bridge here? Maybe this was a distinct species and not a direct ancestor?
These are all stories aren’t they, opinions of archaeologists and paleontologists and biologists?
Why do you consider finding a weird looking bone evidence of Australopithecus if you don’t follow the subjective accounts of evolutionary scientists and archaeologists when they’re dating these bones and sequencing genetic material and so forth?
I already watched the video. I’m saying it’s unrealistic of you to ask me to go back and keep restarting it to transcribe it for you.
The reason you’re asking me to transcribe the video is because I timestamped the exact moment for you where it addressed this as a completely unrealistic demand and that no serious historian would expect to find any or find it a compelling argument against his existence.
There are no examples, nor should that be a problem for a historians. Which is why I brought up the example of William Shakespeare and Alexander the Great.
But yeah, I’m the troll because you’d rather spend an hour harassing me about explaining the basics of the scientific discipline of history instead of watching 2 minutes of a 20 minute video.
Jesus Christ, I never asked you to transcribe a video, what are you even on about? YOU suggested that. Stop ascribing your batshit requests to me.
I asked for ONE thing:
Give me one piece of evidence to support your claim.
That’s all.
It’s simple, and something a child could understand.
For instance, we know Australopithecus existed because we’ve found bones.
It’s that simple.
‘We know Jesus existed because we found his grave.’
Or
‘We know Jesus existed because…’ [insert the evidence].
How is this hard?
e: it’s become very clear you can’t do this one simple thing, yet you can’t stop talking, trying to move on to the next thing as though you already have, but nobody reading this is dumb enough for that to work. That’s what makes you a troll – your inability to address the point as you try to distract from the actual topic. I’ll not move on from the original point until you address it, so this tactic will not work.
You didn’t specifically ask me to transcribe the video, but you would realize if I did transcribe the video that it is the exact answer to your question and answers every issue you’ve raised.
So as you keep pestering me over and over again for “one piece of physical evidence” I’m frustrated by the fact you’re basically just demanding me to transcribe it instead of watching it yourself.
I listed like 8 contemporary sources written by people who knew of him in the early 1st century including some people (like Paul) who would have personally met his disciples.
What I have given you is what historians consider valid evidence. That you have a problem with it is your issue with the field of history, not my lack of evidence.
But yet here we are.
Dude how many times do i have to repeat myself. You’re not going to find bones. Give up on the bones.
It’s impossible.
No physical evidence exists of almost any Palestinian at that time.
Bones are created in very specific conditions, the real Jesus would by all likelihood have been thrown into a mass grave. If I had a 2000 year old bone how would we even prove it was Jesus?
Historians look at the earliest contemporary sources written about him to judge if he exists, and all modern historians agree that by scrutinizing and comparing these documents a man named Yeshua probably existed, he was probably from Nazareth and he was probably crucified.
If that’s not good enough for you that’s really not my fault. It’s simply what the evidence is and how history works.
All right, let’s start again with no more assumptions about what you think I might possibly mean.
Literally, you said there was evidence of Jesus’s existence.
I literally only asked for one example of said evidence.
Your claim.
I am not asking for books or videos, but the mere mention of ONE piece of the evidence you claimed existed. Not opinions, not historians saying they believe it, but actual evidence. That is all.
I know exactly what you mean.
Yes, due to the fact I agree with historians that contemporary sources are evidence, I say there is evidence.
And I gave you 8 contemporary sources and listed more.
The issue is that you disagree with the scientific community this is valid and are demanding physical evidence.
I’ve told you multiple times no physical evidence exists. It’s an impossible demand, and there’s nothing to show you.
You asked if I had any other evidence but what i gave you or if we were done here and I said “yes we are done here” because there’s nothing fucking else to give you. Get that through your dumb skull holy shit. How are we this many comments deep into you still not getting there’s no physical evidence and I have never claimed there to be.
If your default position is to disagree with the overwhelming consensus of scientists, but then instead of learning even the slightest about what they’re saying you choose to argue with randos on social media about it you’re just anti intelligence. You’re choosing to be dumber on purpose. I’m not here for that shit.
You might as well argue the earth is flat.
You clearly don’t know what I mean, since I’ve said repeatedly that other people’s claims or beliefs don’t constitute evidence.
I asked for actual evidence. If you have none, you could have said that near the beginning of this conversation rather than whatever you’ve been doing.
You also clearly don’t know what I mean since you’ve been attributing random meanings to me that have been wrong every time. I don’t have nefarious purposes, I actually just want the actual evidence you claimed to have, and I don’t put stock in people’s stories, because people are often mistaken for many reasons. For evidence to be taken seriously , it should not rely on subjective accounts.
So it sounds like you don’t have evidence, you have stories.
I know exactly what you mean. 100% crystal clear.
You asked for physical evidence.
Once I realized you had a radically strict criteria for what types of evidence could be considered “actual evidence” far and beyond what the most serious scholars and historians would apply, I did say that.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/18918021
Right here I said we were done and I had nothing more I could give you.
I gave you the evidence I claimed to have.
You want evidence I never claimed to have, but which you mistakenly think I did.
Are you sure?
Earlier you told me we know Australopithecus existed because we found their bones.
I believe some scientist may have found a bone, but why do you accept its as old as they say it is, why do you accept it belonged to a distinct species called Australopithecus? Where’s the physical evidence of that?
In between the Australopithecus and the homo sapien there are quite a few missing links that need stories to fill them in.
Maybe they migrated this way in this period? Maybe the water was lower and there was an ice bridge here? Maybe this was a distinct species and not a direct ancestor?
These are all stories aren’t they, opinions of archaeologists and paleontologists and biologists?
Why do you consider finding a weird looking bone evidence of Australopithecus if you don’t follow the subjective accounts of evolutionary scientists and archaeologists when they’re dating these bones and sequencing genetic material and so forth?