What I like about java is it’s consistency. It’s not a great language but it’s a solid tool. It’s no trying to do anything brave, just steadily moves in the right direction.
Python is the exact opposite. There are at least 3 competing tools for everything, multiple ways to install packages, python 3 is not backwards compatible. Just setting up the environment is needlessly painful. It’s not a bad language but a terrible tool.
Saying that about python, has one package index and a unified way of specifying dependencies, compared to Java, which has both Maven and Gradle, is quite funny imo.
Also in my experience, setting up the average python project with numpy, requests and pytest is way easier then setting up a java project with JUnit, etc…
Yeah, not trying to dunk on other commenter, but these don’t sound like complaints I experience with Python at all. Setting up the environment is a breeze with venv, package installation couldn’t be easier with basic pip, and I really like having a diverse ecosystem of multiple (often high quality) approaches to solving similar problems.
It uses the same philosophy of cargo.toml files in Rust projects, where you have all dependencies and versions listed. It’s quite fast, and you can use it to install python cli tools without change your base installation.
It’s the best of venv and pipx and more, IMHO.
What I like about java is it’s consistency. It’s not a great language but it’s a solid tool. It’s no trying to do anything brave, just steadily moves in the right direction.
Python is the exact opposite. There are at least 3 competing tools for everything, multiple ways to install packages, python 3 is not backwards compatible. Just setting up the environment is needlessly painful. It’s not a bad language but a terrible tool.
Saying that about python, has one package index and a unified way of specifying dependencies, compared to Java, which has both Maven and Gradle, is quite funny imo.
Also in my experience, setting up the average python project with numpy, requests and pytest is way easier then setting up a java project with JUnit, etc…
Yeah, not trying to dunk on other commenter, but these don’t sound like complaints I experience with Python at all. Setting up the environment is a breeze with
venv, package installation couldn’t be easier with basicpip, and I really like having a diverse ecosystem of multiple (often high quality) approaches to solving similar problems.Have you heard about
uv? I’m loving it.Yeah I’ve been hearing about it and meaning to dive in. Been learning some infra stuff lately though.
Any particularly strong selling points you want to convey?
It uses the same philosophy of cargo.toml files in Rust projects, where you have all dependencies and versions listed. It’s quite fast, and you can use it to install python cli tools without change your base installation. It’s the best of venv and pipx and more, IMHO.
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