Hey, sorry for yet another reply, it just occurred to me “tankie” probably kind of implicitly suggests I think your perspective is less valid or that I look down on it
If that’s what “tankie” communicates, I’m really sorry about that, it’s probably more apt to say pro-PRC communist, I was just being lazy and didn’t wanna type that out but it honestly didn’t occur to me tankie might be an insult until just a moment ago 🙃
As a side-note, if you want to actually get a view of what Communists are saying on Lemmy, consider making an account on Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, Lemmy.ml, or an instance that can view them like Mander.xyz.
Its not the highest priority for me, I just value talking with people who’s perspective I don’t share when I get the chance (including to the right of me, when I can manage the cognitive dissonance of forgetting out how their ideology and voting record are harming me) but I have been meaning to potentially migrate to another instance again for various reasons. It was gonna be .ee, but they’re shutting down now 😅
Lemmy.zip (absolutely hate the .zip as a thing that exists, but oh well) is one I wanna investigate and maybe make an account on to check out, but I haven’t made any real decision. I’ll have to go look into mander.xyz, thanks for the suggestion :) Previously I was on .ee after decinding beehaw was a bit more defederated than I wanted, but the mirroring from reddit swamping the “all” feed was the biggest reason I stopped using it
Though, I will say, the folks on exclusively communist instachoicese often EXTREMELY difficult to talk to and find common ground with as an outsider. Even folks from .ml are hard to have good discussion with at times; the more of an echo chamber people spend time sitting it, and the longer they spend there, the harder I find it is to engage with them and have a real conversation about what people think and why without it becoming antagonistic. Which is why I hate echo chambers and I’m thinking I’d like a instance that federates everyone and I can moderate as I need to.
Though I can appreciate being defederated wasn’t necessarily the communist instances choices, and being in your own space where you don’t deal with outsider has it’s merits as well as disadvantages
Thanks for the suggestion and I hope you have a lovely day :)
One thing, I’d say that Communist spaces can’t really be real echo chamberd, as in the English-speaking internet and world liberalism is by far the most dominant ideology. Communists cannot avoid exposure to liberalism.
Thats a perspective I really hadn’t considered but that’s very fair, at least in some ways. I think that’s an issue for any minority group.
But I will say that still being exposed to outside voises as noise intruding on your space doesn’t really mean you can’t become increasingly hostile to outsiders. If anything, I think it makes it harder to remain open to talking to folks you don’t agree with because you’ll constantly be subjected to hostility and context collapse where outsiders step in to interject, often with hostility or antagonism, and even when it’s not antagonistic, it’s probably exhausting. When youre hugely outnumbered other perspectives are more likely to feel “inescapable” vs being just one more in the conversation. I can appreciate that I basically stepped into other people’s space and started a debate that takes everyone involved a huge amount of emotional and intellectual labor (though I feel a bit less bad about it given this comm seems like it’s kinda intended for persuading people and outreach)
I can both agree that patience is a good method of outreach while understanding the frustrations from comrades. Plus, outreach is better done in orgs and parties directly, engaging in mass media such as on YouTube. We have to be where the people are. Lemmy is more of a place to not have to worry about censorship.
Hey, sorry for yet another reply, it just occurred to me “tankie” probably kind of implicitly suggests I think your perspective is less valid or that I look down on it
If that’s what “tankie” communicates, I’m really sorry about that, it’s probably more apt to say pro-PRC communist, I was just being lazy and didn’t wanna type that out but it honestly didn’t occur to me tankie might be an insult until just a moment ago 🙃
As a side-note, if you want to actually get a view of what Communists are saying on Lemmy, consider making an account on Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, Lemmy.ml, or an instance that can view them like Mander.xyz.
Its not the highest priority for me, I just value talking with people who’s perspective I don’t share when I get the chance (including to the right of me, when I can manage the cognitive dissonance of forgetting out how their ideology and voting record are harming me) but I have been meaning to potentially migrate to another instance again for various reasons. It was gonna be .ee, but they’re shutting down now 😅
Lemmy.zip (absolutely hate the .zip as a thing that exists, but oh well) is one I wanna investigate and maybe make an account on to check out, but I haven’t made any real decision. I’ll have to go look into mander.xyz, thanks for the suggestion :) Previously I was on .ee after decinding beehaw was a bit more defederated than I wanted, but the mirroring from reddit swamping the “all” feed was the biggest reason I stopped using it
Though, I will say, the folks on exclusively communist instachoicese often EXTREMELY difficult to talk to and find common ground with as an outsider. Even folks from .ml are hard to have good discussion with at times; the more of an echo chamber people spend time sitting it, and the longer they spend there, the harder I find it is to engage with them and have a real conversation about what people think and why without it becoming antagonistic. Which is why I hate echo chambers and I’m thinking I’d like a instance that federates everyone and I can moderate as I need to.
Though I can appreciate being defederated wasn’t necessarily the communist instances choices, and being in your own space where you don’t deal with outsider has it’s merits as well as disadvantages
Thanks for the suggestion and I hope you have a lovely day :)
One thing, I’d say that Communist spaces can’t really be real echo chamberd, as in the English-speaking internet and world liberalism is by far the most dominant ideology. Communists cannot avoid exposure to liberalism.
Thats a perspective I really hadn’t considered but that’s very fair, at least in some ways. I think that’s an issue for any minority group.
But I will say that still being exposed to outside voises as noise intruding on your space doesn’t really mean you can’t become increasingly hostile to outsiders. If anything, I think it makes it harder to remain open to talking to folks you don’t agree with because you’ll constantly be subjected to hostility and context collapse where outsiders step in to interject, often with hostility or antagonism, and even when it’s not antagonistic, it’s probably exhausting. When youre hugely outnumbered other perspectives are more likely to feel “inescapable” vs being just one more in the conversation. I can appreciate that I basically stepped into other people’s space and started a debate that takes everyone involved a huge amount of emotional and intellectual labor (though I feel a bit less bad about it given this comm seems like it’s kinda intended for persuading people and outreach)
I can both agree that patience is a good method of outreach while understanding the frustrations from comrades. Plus, outreach is better done in orgs and parties directly, engaging in mass media such as on YouTube. We have to be where the people are. Lemmy is more of a place to not have to worry about censorship.