Just a note: fascists do not believe the things they say. There is no point in arguing with them or criticizing their claims with logic or facts. There is no benefit in pointing out their hypocrisy because they were never presenting those points in good faith. No gotchas work, no clever retorts and no amount of carefully compiled data will be effective against the reasons they claim are the justification for their hate and bigotry, because the hate came first, the justification is an afterthought. They believe the hate, not the justification and no amount of time or effort or proof will logic them out of their hatred. No evidence will change their minds because the things they say are not truly held beliefs.
So, don’t engage.
They want you to waste your time arguing with them about their obviously wrong claims, in part because it wastes your time and energy and in part because taking their lies seriously gives them legitimacy. There is no point, no benefit to trying to disprove them.
As far as I’ve seen the best way to rattle them is to accurately describe their behavior. That’s all.
Don’t listen to their arguments, don’t engage with their talking points, don’t be sidetracked by their attempts to waste your energy. Focus on the core of whatever issue you’re concerned with and don’t be sidetracked.
For instance, the whole “roman salute” conversation? Bull shit. Obviously. But the more they got people talking about it the more energy people wasted trying to get them to admit the truth. They knew they were lying, that’s the point. Their goal was to waste people’s time with trivial nitpicks.
Do. Not. Engage.
Focus on your goals, the points that actually matter in a discussion. Things like: It’s irrelevant who started what in Gaza, genocide is wrong.
It’s irrelevant if George Floyd was a bad person or not, people shouldn’t be murdered by the police.
It’s irrelevant if there has ever been a single instance where a trans person did anything inappropriate in a public bathroom, they are people who deserve the right to exist in public without fear.
It’s irrelevant what a woman was wearing or if she was drunk or was flirting, there is no excuse for rape.
The list goes on and on and their disingenuous points are always only an obfuscation of the core of the argument, which is usually that all people are people and deserve the right to exist safely in this world. Their points will try to create some reason why certain people don’t deserve that. They are wrong and they will say any lie to try to manipulate people into believing otherwise.
Just a note: fascists do not believe the things they say. There is no point in arguing with them or criticizing their claims with logic or facts. There is no benefit in pointing out their hypocrisy because they were never presenting those points in good faith. No gotchas work, no clever retorts and no amount of carefully compiled data will be effective against the reasons they claim are the justification for their hate and bigotry, because the hate came first, the justification is an afterthought. They believe the hate, not the justification and no amount of time or effort or proof will logic them out of their hatred. No evidence will change their minds because the things they say are not truly held beliefs. So, don’t engage. They want you to waste your time arguing with them about their obviously wrong claims, in part because it wastes your time and energy and in part because taking their lies seriously gives them legitimacy. There is no point, no benefit to trying to disprove them. As far as I’ve seen the best way to rattle them is to accurately describe their behavior. That’s all. Don’t listen to their arguments, don’t engage with their talking points, don’t be sidetracked by their attempts to waste your energy. Focus on the core of whatever issue you’re concerned with and don’t be sidetracked. For instance, the whole “roman salute” conversation? Bull shit. Obviously. But the more they got people talking about it the more energy people wasted trying to get them to admit the truth. They knew they were lying, that’s the point. Their goal was to waste people’s time with trivial nitpicks. Do. Not. Engage. Focus on your goals, the points that actually matter in a discussion. Things like: It’s irrelevant who started what in Gaza, genocide is wrong. It’s irrelevant if George Floyd was a bad person or not, people shouldn’t be murdered by the police. It’s irrelevant if there has ever been a single instance where a trans person did anything inappropriate in a public bathroom, they are people who deserve the right to exist in public without fear. It’s irrelevant what a woman was wearing or if she was drunk or was flirting, there is no excuse for rape. The list goes on and on and their disingenuous points are always only an obfuscation of the core of the argument, which is usually that all people are people and deserve the right to exist safely in this world. Their points will try to create some reason why certain people don’t deserve that. They are wrong and they will say any lie to try to manipulate people into believing otherwise.
Wonderfully said!