• Kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Are you serious? China is an imperialist country like most others that are that big.

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          Africa.

          China is mining Africa. They lend money to local governments, make them build infrastructure to mine natural resources, and then let the countries spiral into never ending debt.

          One could argue that it’s money used to invest in local production, but the real cash is making stuff from raw resources (In China). Also the fact it’s China lending the money and taking mineral rights and infrastructure as collateral is, well, colonialism.

          Examples: Kenya, Zambia.

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          Open a web browser, go to your preferred search engine and start documenting youself.

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          Brazil, yes. India, I’m not informed but my bet would be obviously yes, no way such a country hasn’t developed imperialist practices.

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            I think you’re using “Imperialism” to describe something fubdamentally and entirely different from what Socialists consider Imperialism to be. Would you mind explaining what you think Imperialism is?

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              Would you mind explaining what you think Imperialism is?

              They did: “imperialism is when big country”, not very surprising definition given their instance:

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                Yea, I’m hoping they realize they are tripping over themselves just to be a contrarion, but I think that’s a lost cause now.

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              I consider imperialism putting your hands in someone else’s land, basically speaking.

              What’s YOUR definition?

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                Gotcha, so your definition is focused entirely on force. I don’t think this definition fits, though, not in prior forms of Imperialism like the Roman Empire or British Empire, and not for modern Imperialism dominated by the US Empire, as it makes no mention of extraction or analysis of why Imperialism exists. For example, the Union defeating the Confederacy, or the Soviets taking Berlin, are both “Imperialism” in your definition.

                What Socialists refer to as Imperialism is a form of international extraction. I already linked this Prolewiki article for you, but here’s the basics:

                1. The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.
                2. The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.
                3. The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.
                4. The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels).
                5. The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.[3] This expansion to Marx’s analysis of capitalist development was one of Lenin’s most important theoretical contributions to political economy.

                The PRC, India, Brazil, etc do not fit this, but Western countries absolutely do, especially the US Empire.

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                  Ahahahah no no, the Soviet invading Berlin isn’t imperialism for me. Oppressing neighbors is though, like Tibet to make a classic example.

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                    By your definition, it was, though. The PLA liberating Tibet from a slave-driven feudalism isn’t Imperialism either, especially considering the PRC doesn’t underdevelop Tibet and use it as a hub of extraction.

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              Hey they taught me Brazil was a Portuguese colony, they can’t be bad guys too!!1!

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                You didn’t explain how Brazil is Imperialist, you just made fun of the person asking you to elaborate. You’re deeply unserious.

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                    You talking about the wars in the region? The wars waged by the Empire of Brazil? The Empire controlled by Portuguese monarchs that fled from Europe due to Napoleon.

                    The Brazil’s constitution changed eight times since the Empire, the government changed I don’t know many times, the country Brazil is not the same as the Empire of Brazil.

                    The majority of Brazilians hate the wars, only some right wing military praise the shit that happen during the time(the same military that controlled the country during the 80s)