“b-but bears are actually dangerous!” Shut the hell up.

  • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    That’s quite the universal statement. I think first and foremost, men need to learn that they might not be part of the problem, but that there are many very problematic ones among us.

    The feeling of general suspicion is what we need to tackle. If you don’t grasp the problems and their magnitude, you will naturally take offense in being suspected.

    We need to take this feeling and turn it into anger towards the disgraceful people that are the reason for the suspicion.

    So on the contrary, I think men’s feelings actually matter a lot, if you want to reach a world free of misogyny and violence against women.

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      5 months ago

      Sometimes things aren’t your fault but are your problem. And men making excuses like “just locker room talk” and not confronting other men in their lives who do or say toxic things or espouse ideas or personalities that generally make women uncomfortable are our problems, whether or not they are our fault.

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        5 months ago

        I wish I could do this at work. The most inappropriate things I hear in a regular basis are from my own leadership.

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        5 months ago

        I mean, it depends. I am not my own gender police, I don’t see my life with my peers as “shaping the culture of manhood” because having gender in common is basically irrelevant and there is absolute no sense of belonging for me into “manhood” as a gender. We are not talking about contributing to shape the culture of your organization, or club or something, where there are (or should be) some form of shared values.

        In fact, I find this whole idea between silly and sexist, where by sexist I mean rigid attributes applied based on gender.

        The way I see it is that I - as a man - have absolutely nothing to do to help with the overall problem and the only way that I can help improve is by not being part of it (in this case, not assault, rape, stalk, harass etc.). That’s pretty much the end of it.

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      5 months ago

      This, except that shouldn’t be anger, really.

      Anger is a feeling that leads to alienation, and an alienated beast is the most dangerous one.

      We should be on a watch for potentially dangerous behaviors and offer help so that people gently unlearn their ways.

      That’s not to say people who have already committed some form of abuse shouldn’t be punished, but that we should fight for those who can become dangers and support those who recognize their mistakes and genuinely strive to do better.