• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    The essay simply explains one core tenant of anarchism: that humans rely on cooperation and trust on a core fundamental level in everyday situations, even in capitalism. Societal structures collapse once that base-level of cooperation doesn’t exist.

    Because people who will not cooperate may be rare, but they are not vanishingly rare. They are common enough that we need explicit rules backed by the violence of the State to enforce them. Everyone knows this at a base level too. That loud neighbor. That guy flipping you off in traffic. The woman at the store eyeing the jewelry case a little too hard. If we didn’t have laws, and cops to enforce them, these people would do what they wanted regardless of what anyone else wanted.

    Which leads to the follow-up bullshit of “if you just destroy the protective power of the State, all the bad people will actually be good people!” Yeah and rainbows shoot out my ass when I fart, too.

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      Lol, and you complain about Graeber writing bullshit. xD

      In what way is your “bad person” example any better that the waiting for the bus example Graeber gave?

      If humanity was that sellfish, it would have died out about 100000 years ago. You’re spouting unscientific bullshit and act as if you’re the only reasonable person in the room. Classic lib moment.

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        I dunno about 100,000 years ago, but around 50,000 years ago is when we finished exterminating the Neanderthals.

        Humans are not inherently good.

        But regardless of how good or bad we are, surely you realize how insane it is to suggest that there could ever exist a society that is 100% free from bad actors, both internal and external? Because in a society without cops the one willing and able to resort to the most violence is king.

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          That’s not what anarchists are advocating, tough.

          Anarchists aren’t against communities defending themselves. Cops are defendants of capital interests, though.

          Edit: it’s also not about people being “good” or “bad”. It’s about limiting the potential of accumulation and monopolization of structural power.

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            That’s not what anarchists are advocating, tough.

            Maybe, maybe not, but it is what the article was advocating.

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              No, the article is explaining something similar to what Graeber called “everyday communism”. That cooperation is a fundamental piece of life in human society.

              That’s not the same as saying that everybody is a little goody too shoes inside their heart.

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                Not sure how else to interpet this

                To cut a long story short: anarchists believe that for the most part it is power itself, and the effects of power, that make people stupid and irresponsible.

                Seems pretty clear cut.