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Cake day: October 18th, 2023

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  • You’re making alot of assumptions about the people disagreeing. My co-parent has been talking about this bear tiktok since it first showed up, how disappointed she has been with friends saying they would pick a bear, how harmful the discussion revolving around it is to young men, how 4th wave feminism leans more to reactionary politics instead of building towards material change. She is a socialist political organizer and every single woman in her party is pretty demoralized by this whole thing as it says alot about the publics political consciousness. If half the population more than half the population judging by the men in this thread agreeing to pick the bear, see strangers as a dangerous other, where does that leave us to join together to make meaningful change in society?

    Having lemmy be my only form of social media this is my first time encountering the bear discussion and I completely understand her frustration now.



  • I don’t want to get in the weeds here, at least once in the last 12 months is not regularly, that’s my point on your misrepentation. Does it happen too much, absolutely, does the study present enough data to say it’s happening regularly, no.

    Again when talking about actual threats to women it is not strangers but men already in their circle, yet that is not what the bear discussion revolves around.

    Please answer: Why do you think the actual threat doesn’t shape public consciousness the same way perceived threats do?


  • Where like 60% of women get harassed regularly

    That’s not what the linked study says: In June 2021, the Opinions and Lifestyle Survey (OPN) showed that 28% of women and 16% of men had experienced at least one form of harassment in the previous 12 months. Of adults aged 16 to 34 years, 58% of women had experienced harassment, compared with 24% of men (Figure 4).

    And don’t get me wrong, I am not here to justify harassment of anyone, but you’re grossly misrepresenting the study right now. Perceptions are absolutely influenced by experience of harassment but the actual threat to a woman is not random men on the street, it’s a man that has power over her or within her circle of trust. That could be a boss, a husband or relative.

    However that reality is not what is shaping public perception, I would ask you why do you think that is? It’s a very important part of this bear conversation that is completely lost on everyone.



  • This whole conversation is the equivalent to stranger danger of the 80s, it is shocking how far the publics social awareness is. Just like stranger danger it enphasizes fear over rational truth, and encourages isolation over community. The truth of the matter is that some random man isn’t a bigger threat to you than a random bear, when looking at statistics and physical threat to women it’s domestic violence.

    This bear shit is some whack ass 4th wave feminism that completely lacks any kind of internal self criticism. The public conversation surrounding it provides no purpose than to feed into incel radicalization of young men feeling the strains of alienation under capitalism.