Not really, when you push immature alternatives when ignoring a real choice. Seems more like you are supporting monopoly by ensuring that actual competitors get ignored - along with even smaller vendors.

“Look, don’t use LibreOffice instead of Microsoft Word, what you really want is VIM!”

You are saying there is all of this wasted money, but as soon as you are asked for evidence, it is all “I’m not a tax auditor”. Defend your claims!

They are both worse than Gecko, a platform you wish to die.

Sorry, you aren’t a tax auditor, but you are out here making claims. Try defending them?

Thanks for letting us know to discount what you say – if you prefer monopoly over choice, we’re really not having the same conversation.

This you?

Personally I hope firefox dies as fast as possible so we see some focus on good alternatives.

Gecko is not a good platform, there is a reason why people who use geckoview eventually all migrate away from it, the most recent example I can think of is wolvic, which hasn’t replaced geckoview yet, but does have the version 1.0 of a chromium release now.

The sooner we get real alternatives to chromium and stop pretending that gecko is one the better. Currently servo is progressing really fast, has good APIs and usability for both a full desktop browser and embedded usecases (but still very immature).

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The numbers you have quoted so far don’t make a dent in the 400M though - we haven’t even reached 1% yet. How much do you think Mozilla is spending on Firefox? How much of that is “extra” per your back of the envelope math?

Do you have numbers behind these assertions? How much money is spent on “crap”?

That doesn’t really discount the argument. Not a lot of investment for a decent return. Why is that bad?

Pocket and VPN make money, that would be like firing IRS auditors in the name of efficiency.

I agree that general purpose AI isn’t really all that interesting, since I don’t think it is going to drive involvement or investment. I also imagine that it doesn’t really cost that much - they don’t have any real products behind it, and they all seem clearly experimental.

I guess I understand your aversion to contributing to “junk projects”, but if they are junk projects, there isn’t likely to be a ton of investment. Harder to shift the bottom line.

I see this sentiment sometimes, but just like with the US Federal government, everyone thinks that what everyone else is working on is superfluous.

It’s easy to say generally “there’s all this wasted money”.

Yeah? Where?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2024/

I really am curious. I’m not a fan of AI, so I would agree that those seem superfluous – but at the same time, the AI based image summarizer actually sounds cool - and good for accessibility. The translation service is VERY useful, and it is amazing that it runs locally.

So yeah, I’m curious. What is junk?

And then later I learned it was a cooperative effort, just not under the same name

Source?

They developed the “privacy sandbox” together.

Yeah that’s not true.

You have to remember that sometimes when that shiny new CSS feature comes out, it is underspecced, with unhandled corner cases – “just do what Chromium does” is not a standard – or is it? Having multiple implementations of a spec prove that it is interoperable - without that, you might have a good spec, or you might have a spec that says “whatever Chrome does is what is expected”. Not sure that is what we want from new CSS (or any) features.

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There is nothing about MV3 that stops you from improving things.

What about this stuff?

Probably simpler to just “Forget” the site from the site’s context menu in the history sidebar.

“Vivaldi is closed source, therefore it’s harder for users to investigate”, which is clearly an inaccurate statement.

Why is it an inaccurate statement?

What user are you thinking of?