I could be corrected on this but as far as I’m aware, it’s not a caricature of Chinese people or Asian people, it’s specifically a caricature of Xi Jinping, one of the most powerful people in the world. In fact, on Forbes list in 2018, he is listed as the #1 most powerful person in the world.
So I don’t think it’s a question of race so much as a question of how far are we allowed to make fun of the most powerful people on the planet.
Not to split this but the real obvious parallel with Obama would be Tigger. I’m slightly surprised that didn’t come up, because it’s literally the same origin story.
Does it strike me as odd that there’s an illustration of Pooh and Tigger together, two characters that are friends in the same fictional world?
No, it doesn’t strike me as odd, can you explain that one to me? What’s the history of racism in the Hundred Acre Wood that predates some world leaders with possibly fragile egos? And why is all the attention always on the Pooh half and never on the Tigger half?
I’m gonna have to explain this out very simply: blackface has a long history going back more than a century before Obama was even born.
There do exist racist caricatures of Chinese people with squinty eyes. Pooh does not have the squinty eyes. Ive yet to see any evidence of Pooh being used as a racist caricature before Xi Jinping.
none of his personality resembles pooh, it’s just his race, if anything he’s ruthlessly efficient
I think you accidentally admitted the real issue: Pooh is silly, soft, and generally not that smart. Certain types of rulers need to be seen as strong, powerful, and perhaps even ruthless at all times.
The real offense is a possible degradation of his “strong man” image.
I’m gonna have to explain this out very simply: blackface has a long history going back more than a century before Obama was even born.
what does this have to do with anything
There do exist racist caricatures of Chinese people with squinty eyes. Pooh does not have the squinty eyes. Ive yet to see any evidence of Pooh being used as a racist caricature before Xi Jinping.
okay, he’s still yellow… and who cares if it was used before that or not? I genuinely have no idea what that has to do with anything
As a forum moderator, you see chinese person being a yellow bear, and tigger being obama… seems racist, better remove because it seems like a racist charicature.
None of the history of it matters at all in my eyes. I honestly and genuinely don’t see why it matters to you.
I think you accidentally admitted the real issue: Pooh is silly, soft, and generally not that smart. Certain types of rulers need to be seen as strong, powerful, and perhaps even ruthless at all times.
The real offense is a possible degradation of his “strong man” image.
then make a charicature that makes fun of that and isn’t yellow, I would be fine with that
When you’re a moderator on a forum, do you investigate this and check everyones intent, or do you go, someone posted a yellow bear to represent a chinese person and that seems racist to me?
The joke is that the dude straight up looks like Winnie the Pooh. As in his face and body shape.
The color of the cartoon bear was never even something that popped into my mind, because I’m not a fucking racist and I don’t see “yellow” to mean Asian.
I think it says a lot about you when you turn it into that…
Can chinese people not do racist ignorant things? I’ve known many ethnic minorities to make racist charicatures of their own race, I don’t really see your point
Your evidence that i’m brainwashed is that I think a yellow, slow, lazy bear is kind of a weird portrayal of a chinese man?
Xi is a dictator and evil, I believe that, in fact, you know very little about my beliefs… I don’t think the fact that I think it’s weird to call chinese people yellow means i’m brainwashed, and the fact that that’s what you’d jump to over such a small difference of opinion indicates to me that YOU are in fact brainwashed.
I think you all go into anti-tankie mode whenever someone says anything you disagree with.
Well, when a Chinese person tells me it’s racist and they’re offended, I’ll stop using it. Not really interested in what some white, probably American middle-aged dude cosplaying an armchair communist for the aesthetics thinks is offensive.
I don’t need to make the assumptions to feel okay with it, the assumptions are just for fun on the side. I don’t need to justify myself to you, and you failed to make me feel bad about it in the first place.
Because it seems like a racist charicature, no?
No it doesn’t.
We should be allowed to mock our leaders, especially the dictators
Of course I absolutely agree, that doesn’t mean forums should allow racist charicatures, however.
Why on earth would you assume i’m against that?
It’s not Racist.
You’re not processing reality
Is calling a chinese person yellow racist?
I could be corrected on this but as far as I’m aware, it’s not a caricature of Chinese people or Asian people, it’s specifically a caricature of Xi Jinping, one of the most powerful people in the world. In fact, on Forbes list in 2018, he is listed as the #1 most powerful person in the world.
So I don’t think it’s a question of race so much as a question of how far are we allowed to make fun of the most powerful people on the planet.
The charicature part is strictly about his race though.
would you be fine with a blackface of obama?
the joke seems to be entirely yellow squinty eyed bear looks like him
i’m fine with forums banning racial charicatures, even of people in power
none of his personality resembles pooh, it’s just his race, if anything he’s ruthlessly efficient
Not to split this but the real obvious parallel with Obama would be Tigger. I’m slightly surprised that didn’t come up, because it’s literally the same origin story.
Doesn’t the initial image being paired with Tigger strike you as odd?
Almost as if there’s two obviously racist things about the initial pairing?
Does it strike me as odd that there’s an illustration of Pooh and Tigger together, two characters that are friends in the same fictional world?
No, it doesn’t strike me as odd, can you explain that one to me? What’s the history of racism in the Hundred Acre Wood that predates some world leaders with possibly fragile egos? And why is all the attention always on the Pooh half and never on the Tigger half?
The odd part is using a yellow character for the asian and tigger for the black person… for the obvious slur reason.
None of it has to do with the history of the hundred acre woods.
I’m gonna have to explain this out very simply: blackface has a long history going back more than a century before Obama was even born.
There do exist racist caricatures of Chinese people with squinty eyes. Pooh does not have the squinty eyes. Ive yet to see any evidence of Pooh being used as a racist caricature before Xi Jinping.
I think you accidentally admitted the real issue: Pooh is silly, soft, and generally not that smart. Certain types of rulers need to be seen as strong, powerful, and perhaps even ruthless at all times.
The real offense is a possible degradation of his “strong man” image.
what does this have to do with anything
okay, he’s still yellow… and who cares if it was used before that or not? I genuinely have no idea what that has to do with anything
As a forum moderator, you see chinese person being a yellow bear, and tigger being obama… seems racist, better remove because it seems like a racist charicature.
None of the history of it matters at all in my eyes. I honestly and genuinely don’t see why it matters to you.
then make a charicature that makes fun of that and isn’t yellow, I would be fine with that
How would you feel about a white Pooh bear?
Weird, but for design reasons, I’d be COMPLETELY fine with making fun of Xi with that, if that had been the original design of winnie, though
It really just comes down to winnie being yellow, for me.
So you’re arguing that the historical context of Pooh"s design matters, and I fully agree.
Would it make a difference to know that these are the original designs? Would you consider the original designs to be permittable?
No, because my claim is not that the author of winnie the pooh created a racist charicature, my claim is that the author of the meme did.
if the author of the meme used these versions the meme would be fine
No. It’s. Not. About. His. Fucking. Race.
Dude looks like a cartoon character. The only person bringing up race and calling people “yellow” here is you.
I’m not calling anyone yellow, i’m saying calling people yellow is bad, and if your charicature for an asian person is yellow, that’s not a good idea.
You’re the racist here.
Ah, yes, the most racist of all takes
that we shouldn’t depict chinese people as yellow.
No.
No. The Chinese people were specifically comparing Xi Jinping to Winnie The Pooh before the term was banned.
So? does it seem like one?
When you’re a moderator on a forum, do you investigate this and check everyones intent, or do you go, someone posted a yellow bear to represent a chinese person and that seems racist to me?
You can say it’s racist over and over, but that doesn’t make is true.
If only there was a way to actually see what the Winnie the Pooh thing is even referencing… Oh well, guess you’ll just have to keep lying instead.
the joke is clearly that winnie the pooh is yellow and so is xi, haha very funny.
obviously racist.
if winnie the pooh wasn’t yellow I wouldn’t care about this at all.
The joke is that the dude straight up looks like Winnie the Pooh. As in his face and body shape.
The color of the cartoon bear was never even something that popped into my mind, because I’m not a fucking racist and I don’t see “yellow” to mean Asian.
I think it says a lot about you when you turn it into that…
Yeah, what it says about me is that i’ve seen enough racism against asians to recognize it and be against it.
What does it say about you that you don’t even recognize it, or care to fight against it?
Yeah, sorry. Not going to work on me.
By the way, Winnie the Pooh isn’t even yellow, he’s light brown. You racist piece of shit.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+color+is+winnie+the+pooh&t=fpas&ia=web
No. It does not. This meme is well known and you’re either playing dumb or were living under a rock.
Blackface is well known, guess it isn’t racist.
The joke was started by the Chinese on WeChat. No, it doesn’t seem racist, unless you mean it’s racist to appropriate Chinese memes?
Can chinese people not do racist ignorant things? I’ve known many ethnic minorities to make racist charicatures of their own race, I don’t really see your point
You’re brainwahsed and should self reflect
Your evidence that i’m brainwashed is that I think a yellow, slow, lazy bear is kind of a weird portrayal of a chinese man?
Xi is a dictator and evil, I believe that, in fact, you know very little about my beliefs… I don’t think the fact that I think it’s weird to call chinese people yellow means i’m brainwashed, and the fact that that’s what you’d jump to over such a small difference of opinion indicates to me that YOU are in fact brainwashed.
I think you all go into anti-tankie mode whenever someone says anything you disagree with.
This time instead of typing shit to deflect, turn off your computer, and self reflect
Well, when a Chinese person tells me it’s racist and they’re offended, I’ll stop using it. Not really interested in what some white, probably American middle-aged dude cosplaying an armchair communist for the aesthetics thinks is offensive.
weird that you’re making so many assumptions about me to feel okay with something kinda bigoted.
edit: I really don’t get it… he’s a yellow squinty eyed slow stupid lazy bear
Winnie is a bear that can talk. That is in no way stupid. He’s an adorable blonde bear and everyone loves him.
I don’t even see the insult.
His eyes are literally two black dots. I have no idea where you get “squinty eyed” from.
I don’t see it either, beyond the fact that he’s yellow, I don’t get the joke, it simply seems like the joke is that he’s yellow, lazy and stupid.
I’m fine with lazy and stupid, but not when it’s paired with yellow.
The only racist here is you dude, holy shit…
How exactly?
I don’t need to make the assumptions to feel okay with it, the assumptions are just for fun on the side. I don’t need to justify myself to you, and you failed to make me feel bad about it in the first place.
Now I bet you need a hug, come here.
Life is fun when you play pretend, let me know when you want to be an adult though