One of my favorite Jewish rabbi argument stories was them telling off God for interfering in a legal debate. A rabbi asks God for a miracle to prove his argument, and when he does, the rabbis say “no, that’s not fair. We have to base our understandings on the rules that you gave us, and divine intervention is not a way to settle an argument.”
Judaism is extremely confused, it promotes logic and reasoning but only based on its own logic and reasoning system (that doesn’t follow science or scientific reasoning). So it makes perfect sense, why let god get in the way of a multi-hour long debate over the logic of laws that were made up?
Didn’t islam have to have special religious scholars for figuring out tiny things? I feel like I remember them having to be called in to issue a special ruling through the Quran that a religious building could be entered temporarily by the police to end a siege between them and some other group. Probably mis-remembering, but I feel like that was it.
Didn’t islam have to have special religious scholars for figuring out tiny things?
At least in theory, Islam is traditionally adhered to as an all-encompassing lifestyle. As such, it’s unsurprising to find rulings on the minutia of affairs.
FWIW, deriving new religious verdicts and/or refining the old is a continuous effort as new issues/situations arise.
I feel like I remember them having to be called in to issue a special ruling through the Quran that a religious building could be entered temporarily by the police to end a siege between them and some other group.
Perhaps you are referring to issuing a so-called ‘fatwa’, which is basically understood as a religious ruling derived by an Islamic jurist on a (pressing) matter.
Islamic jurisprudence has like several entirely different schools. There are systems for grading which Hadith to take seriously, based on how close the transmitter was to Mo, and which ones you accept inform your interpretation. (Don’t forget shia versus sunni as a large split - other smaller categories and sub categories as well.)
Iirc, there’s a lot of debate on whether actions are permissible versus mandatory, or forbidden versus discouraged. There are four Arabic words that go with those categories that I can’t be assed to look up rn.
There’s also the amazing part where it intersects with Islamic banking, which tries to come up with ways that you can make money without charging interest.
Islamic jurisprudence is complicated af - when I took my grad class on religion, I read lots of those arguments because my professor’s area of focus was medieval Islam.
Proof that for every two Jewish people there are at least three opinions
I only see a bunch of ornamented books?
Its called the Mishnah, its a bunch of long dead old people arguing over things of mostly very little significance (even for religious people)
One of my favorite Jewish rabbi argument stories was them telling off God for interfering in a legal debate. A rabbi asks God for a miracle to prove his argument, and when he does, the rabbis say “no, that’s not fair. We have to base our understandings on the rules that you gave us, and divine intervention is not a way to settle an argument.”
Judaism is extremely confused, it promotes logic and reasoning but only based on its own logic and reasoning system (that doesn’t follow science or scientific reasoning). So it makes perfect sense, why let god get in the way of a multi-hour long debate over the logic of laws that were made up?
Didn’t islam have to have special religious scholars for figuring out tiny things? I feel like I remember them having to be called in to issue a special ruling through the Quran that a religious building could be entered temporarily by the police to end a siege between them and some other group. Probably mis-remembering, but I feel like that was it.
At least in theory, Islam is traditionally adhered to as an all-encompassing lifestyle. As such, it’s unsurprising to find rulings on the minutia of affairs.
FWIW, deriving new religious verdicts and/or refining the old is a continuous effort as new issues/situations arise.
Perhaps you are referring to issuing a so-called ‘fatwa’, which is basically understood as a religious ruling derived by an Islamic jurist on a (pressing) matter.
Ah yeah, I meant a Fatwa. Thanks.
Islamic jurisprudence has like several entirely different schools. There are systems for grading which Hadith to take seriously, based on how close the transmitter was to Mo, and which ones you accept inform your interpretation. (Don’t forget shia versus sunni as a large split - other smaller categories and sub categories as well.)
Iirc, there’s a lot of debate on whether actions are permissible versus mandatory, or forbidden versus discouraged. There are four Arabic words that go with those categories that I can’t be assed to look up rn.
There’s also the amazing part where it intersects with Islamic banking, which tries to come up with ways that you can make money without charging interest.
Islamic jurisprudence is complicated af - when I took my grad class on religion, I read lots of those arguments because my professor’s area of focus was medieval Islam.