You do think that women should be able to marry more than one person? So above story wouldn’t be a problem for you if one of the women had a husband and a wife?
From my personal experience a lot of muslim women do not consent to their husband havinv more than one wife (in Islam the woman has to consent), so it’s something that happens only when the women agree to it.
It’s a complicated question to answer. Consent can’t be given under duress, and the rate of abuse in polygamous marriages is astoundingly high. If there was some magical way that the state could verify that everyone is consenting with a true option to say no without their life being ruined, that would be great. However having the state decide who can marry would go really poorly at some point. As a result, I think we’re left with the western status quo where we throw the baby out with the bath water and ban the whole thing. It’s kinda like how some people can be responsible handgun owners but others are murderers and the potential downsides are great enough that nobody gets the privilege. Same for selling cocaine.
Oh, I agree, but in those instances there might also be the possibility of women being forced to mary (even as first/only wife).
And Islam is already very explicit with the consent of the woman being required, just like western laws do that (and yet it can still happen)
But you bringing up handguns, I think we should always consider benefit and risks, and the risks of everybody owning handguns do definitely exceed the risks of some people having multiple wifes (as in risks for society, as well as risks for personal safety)
Sure, but that’s universal. Most of the Islamic theocratic have this problem, and it’s a point of general focus… but Islam is their excuse, not a functional cause. It’s not like Mormons did it any better.
I’m asking you to trade in your blunt instrument for something that can actually affect change. If you just want to shout mindless rhetoric from the rooftops, that’s fine. It’s just not going to change anyone’s minds.
Expound upon your point. You want equality for women, what does that mean for you? Does it mean blanket bans of patriarchal polygamy or blanket bans of Islam? Cause your initial case implies the latter, with the former more a vapid excuse for it.
Have an opinion and not just a talking point. No topic is ever truly explained by a single sentence.
Somehow I doubt your sincerity. Most people who bring up women’s rights when it comes to Muslims only bring up women’s rights when Muslims are involved. Like conservatives who would happily defund every women’s sports programs but use women’s sports as a cudgel to hurt trans people.
It’s really transparent and disingenuous, and you give off those same vibes.
Based on one comment? You’re pulling that out of your ass because confronting your own inconsistencies makes you uncomfortable. Feel free to stalk my comment history of you want.
Also way to tell on yourself that you don’t respect women’s rights.
Call me whatever you want, I believe women should have equal rights.
You do think that women should be able to marry more than one person? So above story wouldn’t be a problem for you if one of the women had a husband and a wife?
From my personal experience a lot of muslim women do not consent to their husband havinv more than one wife (in Islam the woman has to consent), so it’s something that happens only when the women agree to it.
It’s a complicated question to answer. Consent can’t be given under duress, and the rate of abuse in polygamous marriages is astoundingly high. If there was some magical way that the state could verify that everyone is consenting with a true option to say no without their life being ruined, that would be great. However having the state decide who can marry would go really poorly at some point. As a result, I think we’re left with the western status quo where we throw the baby out with the bath water and ban the whole thing. It’s kinda like how some people can be responsible handgun owners but others are murderers and the potential downsides are great enough that nobody gets the privilege. Same for selling cocaine.
Oh, I agree, but in those instances there might also be the possibility of women being forced to mary (even as first/only wife).
And Islam is already very explicit with the consent of the woman being required, just like western laws do that (and yet it can still happen)
But you bringing up handguns, I think we should always consider benefit and risks, and the risks of everybody owning handguns do definitely exceed the risks of some people having multiple wifes (as in risks for society, as well as risks for personal safety)
Sure, but that’s universal. Most of the Islamic theocratic have this problem, and it’s a point of general focus… but Islam is their excuse, not a functional cause. It’s not like Mormons did it any better.
Agreed. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
Do you agree? Really? Cause your intimation seems to be that anyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% doesn’t believe women should have equal rights.
You could expound on your point a bit more, but it’d probably take more than one sentence. Please try.
I honestly don’t understand what you’re asking of me. Women having equal rights is a binary thing, they either do or don’t.
I’m asking you to trade in your blunt instrument for something that can actually affect change. If you just want to shout mindless rhetoric from the rooftops, that’s fine. It’s just not going to change anyone’s minds.
Can you provide an example of what you would like me to say here?
Expound upon your point. You want equality for women, what does that mean for you? Does it mean blanket bans of patriarchal polygamy or blanket bans of Islam? Cause your initial case implies the latter, with the former more a vapid excuse for it.
Have an opinion and not just a talking point. No topic is ever truly explained by a single sentence.
Somehow I doubt your sincerity. Most people who bring up women’s rights when it comes to Muslims only bring up women’s rights when Muslims are involved. Like conservatives who would happily defund every women’s sports programs but use women’s sports as a cudgel to hurt trans people.
It’s really transparent and disingenuous, and you give off those same vibes.
Based on one comment? You’re pulling that out of your ass because confronting your own inconsistencies makes you uncomfortable. Feel free to stalk my comment history of you want.
Also way to tell on yourself that you don’t respect women’s rights.