Do the army support the president even if his orders are against your constitution? How is the overll clima and feeling today?

Just asking because I’m curious, I have no horse in this race :)

Edited to Armed forces since thats exactly what I ment

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    Get literally any soldier who was deployed to iraq or afghanistan drunk and they’ll tell you about unpunished warcrimes they witnessed or participated in.

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      I served in the military. You don’t seem to know much about it.

      Literally any soldier? Really? The cooks? The guy at the mechanic shop? Literally any soldier?

      Not everyone is going out on patrol. Not every soldier is committing a war crime. I’ve known dozens of people who went over seas and didn’t even see a hint of action. WTF is with these wild assumptions being passed as facts.

      Does it happen, for fucking sure. But not at the level you seem to be implying. Not at all. People let their emotions rule over reason way too much.

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        I feel like you could use critical thinking and assume I’m talking about people who saw action.

        Support staff aren’t innocent either to me. They supported the mission and it couldn’t have been done without them.

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          You said literally any soldier, so maybe say what you mean instead of being hyperbolic and then blaming people for thinking you mean what you actually said. You choose those words. You didn’t even say, “ask any soldier” you really wanted to classify it with “ask literally any soldier”. So if that’s not what you meant, why did you make that absurd claim? I don’t rely on people making assumptions when I present a point. That is wild…

          And even then, I know people do have been in action and not witnessed any war crimes. I’ve known lots of these people, across a large sample. You’re in your room making baseless assumptions.

          Yah, every guy making sure you get fed really condones war crimes. You lack any sense of nuance or actual understanding.

          You’re just throwing out grand, sweeping claims…

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            Making sure I get fed? What exactly has the military done to secure food security? You’re complaining about hyperbole and make dumbass claims like that lol

            They’re not baseless assumptions either. I’m sure your chud friends have seen plenty of horrific shit and they just don’t consider it bad, nor war crimes. I know people that have sniped unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and they considered it a way to alleviate boredom. There’s a couple people in my state that even got convicted of war crimes at Abu gharib but ended up getting set free.

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              Making sure I get fed? What exactly has the military done to secure food security? You’re complaining about hyperbole and make dumbass claims like that lol

              Shoot, my bad. I forgot how easily confused you get. They keep the soldiers fed. I thought that was obvious from context, but I guess back to spoon feeding.

              They’re not baseless assumptions either. I’m sure your chud friends have seen plenty of horrific shit and they just don’t consider it bad, nor war crimes.

              They’re not baseless? You’re assuming you know my friends better than I do. Friends who were in the military with me, a life you clearly don’t understand or have ever experienced. But you claim with confidence to know what they consider bad? This is baseless by definition. You’re whole stance is based on assumptions.

              But prove me wrong, my good friend Sgt Holt, what did he see that was a war crime? I’m curious since you seem to know so well.

              I know people that have sniped unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and they considered it a way to alleviate boredom.

              Lol first off I call bullshit. A sniper is not setting up a nest then giving away and drawing attention to that nest for no reason. That’s how you eat an RPG. Your basic lack of military knowledge is making your lies transparent AF lol.

              There’s a couple people in my state that even got convicted of war crimes

              Oh shit! A couple people got convicted of war crimes so every single soldier ever has committed war crimes. You are delusional and not living in reality guy. Do you apply this logic to every group? Because I’m sure you’re part of a group that has had members of that group so horrible things.

              What a smart person would do is realize that each person is an individual and not judge an entire, massive group of people based on the actions of some people in that group.

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                Does it not bother you that the people who ran the torture prison got set free? This is what I meant by you and your friends considering certain things not war crimes.

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                  Wow, I I’ve heard of moving the goal posts but that’s moving to a whole new field lol.

                  Let’s get a refresher on what you said

                  Get literally any soldier who was deployed to iraq or afghanistan drunk and they’ll tell you about unpunished warcrimes they witnessed or participated in.

                  Yeah that’s not at all the same.

                  Not every single soldier witnessed or participated in that.

                  You are desperately reaching instead of just saying you were wrong. Come on man, this is weak.

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      Fuck off. I have 3 deployments under my belt and 0 war crimes. Some of us are just born poor as fuck and wanted to go to college. The military honestly isn’t some monolithic entity… 90% of the people on this thread literally have never talked to a service member and it shows lol

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        I have them in my family and have heard their stories. I don’t care what reason you justify joining. You acted as a tool of imperalism against people who did not deserve it.