UPDATE: The Unbans are showing up on modlog now.:
unban log screenshot
I have traded the month-long ban in the many communities for a 6-day ban in vegan@lemmy.dbzero.com, which is a more reasonable ban. this ban has also been lifted now. I appreciate the cooperation from the mod over this misunderstanding.
So it seems i’ve gotten a month-long ban in… over 30 communities across lemmy.dbzer0.com, sopuli.xyz, lemmy.ca, programming.dev, and several others, for this comment here.
Screen cap of comment for posterity:
It’s directly replying to a comment saying they can’t imagine why anyone thought otherwise about fish feeling pain, which is reasonable. You might notice the quotation marks, because it’s satirizing people’s mental gymnastics about fishes’ pain perception. It was meant in jest, exclusively.
It seems likely that a single mod took this joke wrong and chose to ban me on every community they have control over.
Y’know, concentrating power in the hands of a single person / group defeats the purpose of decentralisation.
I can understand if the damage is limited to communities within a single instance, but when a ban is so far-reaching - across so many instances - it makes me wonder what’s the point of choosing Lemmy over, say, Reddit.
It’s still the same problem again, just with different people in charge - like Bluesky vs Twitter.
lemmy fixes admin abuse, not mod abuse.
It doesn’t “fix” admin abuse either - see feddit.org situation. It only helps with admin abuse as the bans apply to part of the universe rather that to the entire Lemmy.
Yes, that’s how it fixes it. You cannot be banned from lemmy, only individual servers.
That is not “fixing”. It is partial remedy.
Life isn’t perfect.
Sadly.
If it were perfect for you, how many more would find it intolerable? Ideally, we can live and let live. Life isn’t ideal, either.
I think it’s as much of a fix as is possible. If your problem is the owner or admin of the server your best solution is to leave. On reddit that meant leaving reddit. On lemmy it means you have to find another instance
My understanding is it works slightly differently.
It means that all users of an instance which banned you won’t be able to see your comments even if these are made on another instance. It therefore stops you from participating with all the users of the instance which banned you, even on other instances.
Thus my comment about the limited remedy.
How is it only a partial remedy?
Because you still can be banned across individual servers so multiple communities, sometimes very large - and there isn’t anyone who can unban you when it happens.
I don’t see any solution to that that doesn’t end up horribly.
I do.
Admins should have an ability to unban but not to ban people so essentially to control moderators but not to be moderators themselves. Moderators shouldn’t be allowed to moderate more than a couple of communities.
Alternatively “membership” of Lemmy would be conditional upon acceptance of appeal process where admins of different instance(s) would decide if someone should be unbanned.
Yeah, the problem of modreach is definitely not a solved problem. The other problem, of all discourse being directly controllable from on high by a profit-driven company, however, is solved by lemmy. I believe that was the original issue lemmy was meant to handle. And that problem does seem to be solved. We’ll just have to handle the problem of public official reach the way we normally would.
There’s a fine line and I guess it can happen when one isn’t experienced enough or jaded.
For example, I don’t think banning pitbull or staffie dogs is great. They are loving, loyal dogs if well-socialized by someone with the time, temperament, and consistency to do so. Banning these beautiful animals often means they are sent to shelters and euthanized wholesale, because they can’t be placed . They didn’t ask to be born, either.
Nonetheless, when I saw a pinned post in the"Ban Pit Bulls” community, I refrained from posting, even if it did seem rather an incongruent view alongside militant veganism. I’d already argued my points which were vehemently rejected.
But yptb just seems like a lot of whining by people unable to self-soothe and self-validate, imo, and I know people are going to be extremely offended by my saying so.
When was this? The one I used to see in All got new moderation (the mod being discussed) who introduced, what I thought, were reasonable rules to encourage actual discourse.
I get what you’re saying about it before but, assuming they’re being fairly enforced, I assume it’s got to be better there now.
Oh that’s encouraging. Maybe I missed it before. I don’t currently own any, but I’m still ok with the breed in general.
We do and I feel like you do. That’s why that community used to bug me so much.
I learned first hand that having a pit or pit mix is a lot different and they take a very patient owner and consistent method of training.
Yes, they can be stubborn! That said, I’ve been guilty of that.
Mods can accidentally hit the ban all option on the Tesseract frontend. Accidents do happen.
Distrust me if you want to.
how did OP get banned in servers from so many different instances?
Not every ban is done in good faith like op has rightfully called out.
that is not an answer to the question I asked
Tesseract has an option to ban an user across multiple comms.
Just say the truth, you wanted punitive action. Now go ahead and ban me as well on any way communities you mod I don’t want to ever hear of you
thats why lemmy needs to adopt a crowd sourced, prestige based moderation system and get rid of individual mods
Like each person could vote things up or down, and if they vote them up they get more attention and down votes would bury the content!
No, that is just regular upvoting and downvoting.
A prestige based system takes into account previous voting based on community outcomes, and aggregates over time a running value that represents how effective that particular user has been to matching the zeitgeist of the community. So the more someones posting and voting pattern appeals to the community that they occur in, the more ‘valuable’ that person’s vote is
So a person that has been consistently uploading content that other viewers consider quality gets more community prominence and their votes are weighted more than a person who just showed up yesterday or someone who consistently posts divisive and unwanted content as decided by the community
Does this mean that some communities will get taken over by bad actors? Yes, but then you just leave the community, or start an initiative to change the zeitgeist of the community. The thing is, NOW those bad actors don’t get a free pass just because one of their friends worms their way into modding BECAUSE there are NO mods.
Lastly voting just up and down is so 2010, as much as I fucking hate Buzzfeed their tagging system is the start of something good, but they don’t do much useful with that info but aim for virality.
So a multi dimensional voting space based off of tag clouds where the user can refine the kind of content they view based off of others reactions such as ‘funny, informative, shocking, wholesome’ and even negative tags like ‘outrageous, unhelpful, argumentative’ just to name a few.
TL;DR: The longer and more often any given user’s contributions are considered positive by a community, the more power that user has to shape the future of the community.
I can see how your modlog got so full. Are you always like this? How do you get but in the real world?
Nah, because any mod that didn’t subscribe to groupthink would get banned by you all.
Yeah no, this would not work well. Minorities often experience being downvoted in great number and out-ratioed by those that have no understanding of what they go through (your regular lemmy user). It would just result in the ultimate echo chamber where largely only liberal white cishets have anything to say. At least as things are now queers can have a queer instance and feel safe there, even if things are not ideal.
Sorry no, it’s clear no one here is capable of rational thought. Maybe consider researching what a prestige based moderating system is.
Tell us rather than insult us? There’s nothing useful on the first page of results if I search for “prestige based moderating system” in duckduckgo.
Why shouldn’t I insult you?
Literally every idea I’ve ever shared on lemmy that wasn’t 100% mainstream accepted resulted in hours to days of harassment and comment stalking with zero mod support. None of you want to expand your understanding of anything, you just want your biases confirmed.
You can check my fucking post history if you think I’m lying.
You get what you give, and that’s a lot of anger and vitriol. People would be a lot more willing to listen to you if you didn’t constantly get upset and rage at everybody and pretend like you’re above everyone else. If it smells like shit everwhere you go, check your shoe.
Oh so what you’re saying is reddit isn’t getting fascist, I’M the fascist.
Clever
or no, the opposite
No, I didn’t say anything like that all. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
Brah, I was all for giving you the benefit of the doubt till you said this. Lighten up.
Crowd sourced moderation squashes small voices, squashes unpopular voices. It’s not a good solution
So what you’re saying is you don’t understand what prestige based moderation is? Ok. And no I’m not wasting my time educating your intellectually dishonest ass
You do seem to be putting a lot of effort into telling people they don’t know what you’re talking about rather than telling people what you’re talking about
And calling me a liar? I made it clear which part of your comment I was addressing.
I have spent years trying to be a contributor on the internet, adding my perspective and understanding.
And never once has it been worth it
Every time people like you descend to mock and jeer and deliberately misunderstand, and hardly ever do the mods do anything but work against me.
For a few weeks I thought lemmy would be different, but no you guys are actually worse and even more echo chambered.
I’m glad you’re trying and I hope you get past your anger