Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!
Finland or Norway.
I’m German and as far as I’m concerned the people who want to flee the current US administration are exactly the type of people you want to welcome with open arms.
As a trans woman I might need somewhere to go and I desperately hope that when that day comes someone like you is in charge if deciding if I get to stay.
the ones that cant stop sucking off trump, arent even leaving usa anyways(trump supporters/liberterians), they are too inside thier bubble. scientists and mds and engineers have much more options than people with non-graduate degrees unfortunately.
Are you specifically talking about north americans of european descent? As if Germany isn’t dipping right into their pre WW2 culture with Merz as chancellor and AfD getting more votes each year 🤡
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I went to Norway. Big recommend. That said, I refuse to call myself an expat or use the term expatriate. I am an immigrant. I think it is weird that white westerners get a special word and everybody else are filthy immigrants.
It’s semantics but the difference between expat and immigrants is an expat intends to return to their home country some day, where an immigrant does not.
it’s racism
if a westerner works with plans to return they are called expat, if it’s a non western, they are called migrants labour or foreign workers and are treated like shit.
they dont like to be called immigrants, because then they would have to be labeled like the “brown people” they say have hawking over.
Yes, but connotatively it is just a marker of privilege. Especially here, since what we’re talking about is immigration, not temporary work.
To me expat always referred to people that only stay temporarily, mostly sent abroad by the company they work at. As opposed to a migrant that is meaning to stay permanently (and eventually gains citizenship).
TIL the definition differs regionally (see wiki) and mostly not as I thought it was.
Brit here. I’d be happy to accept Dem voters. Fart voters can stay at home and eat their own dogshit. Non-voters too; they knew exactly who FartV1 was and I am genuinely surprised Harris couldn’t get in simply on “I’m not Fart”. They really thought she’d be worse?
And for those who get over here by lying about their vote; they incriminate themselves, and will be deported the moment we discover the truth.
They really thought she’d be worse?
For the love of God, please stop spreading this mode of thinking. Elections are won by enthusiasm, not an intellectual weighing of the pros and cons of each. This is the model Democrats have used for decades that got us here. Being the lesser evil is not a solid campaign strategy. The greater evil will always get more attention, and therefore enthusiasm.
I don’t think this is an exclusively American thing. Did Brits really think brexit was a good idea?
evidence came out it was also rigged, and it has been for the last 2 times too. she wouldve won regardless, but the problem is DNc dint call out to be investigated for fear of being called riggers themselves. and waited when it was almost a year to finally say, we think its rigged?
It wasn’t rigged. Even if it were rigged, it should never have been close enough to be rigged, but it wasn’t rigged. If the DNC waited to say it was rigged, they are still waiting because they haven’t said they think it’s rigged, but their not waiting, because it wasn’t rigged.
Non-American here. All Americans, except MAGA muricans, are welcome.
Tbf most migrants are either damn smart, hard workers or damn smart hard workers.
So, for a good future we should welcome them!
I’m very concerned that people who choose to go to France will just find themselves in the exact same situation along with the rest of us not too long from now. I’d advise looking for a country with a lower fascism approval rating…
We do have lots of cheese, though, if it’s any consolation.
GingTFO isn’t actually a huge problem for Americans. I’ve looked into it and the only reason I’m still here is that my wife refuses to leave and I love her too much to leave her. Dozens of countries will give Americans residency, although citizenship is usually a lot more difficult and/or takes years. There is usually a minimum income requirement, but you don’t have to be rich. I’ve seen it in the $1200-$2k/mo range in multiple places. Of course this has to be income you can still make while you’re in the new country, not a US job you’re going to give up. Makes it pretty sweet for “digital nomads” tho who can work remotely.
A few countries highly rated by expats are Costa Rica, Panama, Uruguay (esp good environment for LGBTQ+), and Thailand. Vietnam doesn’t even have a visa limit - technically it’s 3 or 5 years but all you have to do to reset it is go away for like 30 days. There are lots of others. If you want to get started google “Americans moving abroad”, there are tons of helpful videos and articles.
Germany. I might be able to claim ancestry rights. Ironic that my great grandmother fled fascism in Germany but I’d flee America to return to the motherland.
You shouldn’t say that “motherland” phrase so loud. Nobody cares, but it makes you one of those Muricans we try to avoid.
Nobody here cares about ancestry like americans do.
Your great grandma came from Germany. Was your grandma a german citizen? Was your mother a german citizen? No? You are not intitled to german citizenship anymore. You’re a full blown american with a great grandma that migrated to the USA. I’m sorry to blow your bubble, that ship has left the harbor.
Ok sure. Sorry I didn’t know ‘motherland’ was a negative phrase in Germany. I will not use it. My grandmother and mother were not German just great grandmother.
Yeah… those fucking moronic assholes that forced your great grandmother to flee to survive loved expressions like Lebensraum, Rasserein, Bluterbe, Mutterland, Vaterland or Unwertes Leben…
And we germans laugh about that Murican obsession with “I’m German, because my great grandmother was…” you can get german citizenship ius sanguinis (by blood … [as direct desendent])" and since 2000 also by ius soli (by place of birth). There’s a joke about “Russlanddeutsche” (Russian germans) that goes like: Ivan now has german passport, he could give proof his great great great great grandfather had a german shepherd back in 1792.
Those people “coming back” are the decendents of people migrating to russia back in 1764 on their own free will.
So, my personal tip. Just say you want to leave the US because that country is heading for a fall. I can speak a bit german because my great grandma was from [insert city/village/state here]. I hope this will help me learn to speak fluently fast.
And you’re welcome.
Thanks for the constructive feedback instead of just assuming I was a bad person. I appreciate it.
My pleasure.
You and grew up in completely different cultures, even if both are considered “western”. We both are a product of how we grew up.
If someone would accuse me, as a german, of stareing, I’d be baffled, because for us it is normal not to look away after a split second. We also like to say things directly and don’t like waste time with small talk and chit chat in some situations. Many think this makes us cold.
And… you obviously know about the darkest parts of german history. I was born 24 years after the third Reich was defeated and 80 years later this time still haunts this country. That’s why we sometimes react a bit “twitchy” if people use expressions that either were used by the fascists or sound like they would have liked them. I hope you understand my first reaction even better now.
Yes I know how sensitive a subject it is.
Also, I too do not like small talk or mindless chit chat. If I talk, it is is in depth and with a passion about the topic.
You know the stereotypes about germans, no humor, stare at you, love their rules and laws, cold and pedantic, wait for the green light on a pedestrian crossing at 3 in the morning, but go pedal to the metal the moment their Porsche/Benz/BMW enters the Autobahn… and we drink beer all day and eat Sauerkraut.
:)
Seriously, the only Sauerkraut I really like is the batch my Dad makes every year in autumn and I don’t drink beer.
That’s not how it works hun. You’d have to go through the regular process of becoming a citizen by immigration.
Ancestry rights≠automatic citizenship and the person you’re responding to didn’t make that claim.
Yeah, it’s just one of the avenues. I could also just get a job there as I’m in tech, I’m not quite fluent in German yet especially when it comes to tech jargon. But I’m getting there.
Depending on your field tech jargon is probably all english even in Germany.
It is according to some Dutch friends in the Netherlands.
Software engineering. There is a lot of cognates yeah
Cognates? Mate, unless you work for some company stuck in the 60s the entire tech jargon is english, it’s the exact same words.
Any country where healthcare and higher education are considered human rights and not commodities will work for me.
Someplace in the Anglosphere. I don’t think I have it in me to learn a new language just to get by in day-to-day life. New Zealand, maybe.
Unfortunately, my immensely low income and numerous medical issues means that I’m not much of a candidate for emigration.
Also, ideally, a region without a lot of insects.
In any case, though, I’m probably going to die here, stubbornly. If these fascist fucks want me dead bad enough to see it through, I’m at least going to inconvenience them with getting rid of my body.
I moved to Japan back in 2015. If I had it to do over, I might do Finland or Norway.
I’m taking Spanish right now, both to better support immigrants in my community and to possibly move to Oaxaca Mexico if necessary. I plan to visit a few more times in the next year or so, just to figure out things just in case. I don’t feel like it’s the time to leave yet - I have a pretty good intuitive sense for disasters.
I LEANfired at 44 so I can’t really go somewhere that requires a work visa, and I’m not rich enough for a golden ticket in many places.
France is actually a possibility because I’m fluent, I lived there briefly- but I prefer the art and culture in Mexico, and generally people are easier to get to know.
I’m also visiting my friends off grid in Montana, and may discuss with them rolling my tiny house up there someday. I know there’s a lot of crazy people up there but where they are is a bit away from that.
My grandfather was Finnish, so that seems like a natural choice, but I would probably say Uruguay because it seems like a nice relatively affordable place and I could improve my (terrible) Spanish (i don’t speak any Finnish).
at least currently these countries are mostly looking for PHDs, MDs in specialities, some engineers, but degrees in stem lower than that isnt encouraged at all. because they know there will be a job waiting the moment they set foot in those countries, but its unwise for someone with a undergraduate/MS since you would have to do much more.
i knew a white guy in my CC that “expatriated” to mexico after my semester with him in a stem class this was a long time ago, kinda wierd he even bother going to school in the CC anyways in the USA, he was gone the next semester.
