Hi folks! After a couple of months of discussions around the topic, I have decided to go ahead and make the first actual anti-coporate community on lemmy, according to lemmyexplorer.org.

The idea is to make people aware of corporate abuse, dangers and further the movement to eventually cap corporations and individuals at 999 mil USD to rebalance the scales for the 99.9 % of the population and keep companies from becoming states.

Check it out on !anticorporate@lemmy.giftedmc.com or https://lemmy.giftedmc.com/c/anticorporate.

Feel free to debate me and others on the topic. I just ask you to stay constructive, I’m trying to help here.

Thanks for reading and have a good one!

  • HeartyBeast
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    102 months ago

    I’m quite intrigued as to what our modern world would look with corporation’s - what? - assets? - capped at $999 milion. It costs about $120m to build a single container ship, a Boeing 737-700 costs about $89m, Amazon set aside $1bn to film its Lord of the Ring series.

    Probably the end of multi-nationals, I guess. Interesting

    • @Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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      82 months ago

      Yeah, I’m not so sure about a specific hard cap on assets. I’ll need some greater explanation and/or convincing on that.

      I would like to see a hard cap on registered securities: stocks, bonds, etc. I think any portfolio worth more than $16.7 million should have the excess taxed at 1%. That tax should be progressive, with a 100% top tier rate on everything over $1 billion.

      Unlike tangible assets, securities don’t need to be sold off to pay such a tax. We can just transfer the excess shares to IRS liquidators, who can sell them off in monthly lots no larger than 1% of total traded volume.

      • hauiOPA
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        12 months ago

        This is a great idea as well. I like it! Thanks for contributing

    • @towerful@programming.dev
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      62 months ago

      Cap it relative to the lowest paid employee.
      Or perhaps the difference between lowest paid and the CEO.
      Some sort of review/system to also incorporate subcontractors/companies etc, so a company cant be just C-Suite and everyone else subcontracted from another “company”

      • HeartyBeast
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        32 months ago

        Result - massive rich corporation staffed by small insanely rich exec teams and everything automated.

          • HeartyBeast
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            12 months ago

            I don’t see how you argue that. Most companies today have some form of salary bill. Giving corporations a massive incentive to automate away lower paid jobs does not spread wealth.

    • hauiOPA
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      22 months ago

      I‘m very happy that you bring this up. It’s great to have questions to answer and think in many directions, often new ones.

      I think this has been done before there were billionaires, both companies and people. Its called cooperation. The not vertically and horizontally integrated version of the companies we have today. A giant containership is a marvelous invention but you dont have to own 10 of these imo. You can rent them, you can have subcontractors that run their own ship and so on. Or am I missing something?

      This is obviously just how I see it. Feel free to post this in the community as well to have many people look at it and discuss. Maybe we find solutions and maybe we need to correct our course on some things.

      Do you have more examples like this?

      • @bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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        This is a great point. “It doesn’t work under the existing paradigm” doesn’t mean it can’t work.

        • hauiOPA
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          22 months ago

          Thank you. I’m pretty curious at how this will turn out. We’re already seeing a ton of folks subscribing.

      • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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        12 months ago

        What if we took the CEO/middle management tax off every step in the process. Or made use of economies of scale to cheaply and efficiently provide people with a desirable comfortable standard of living. That could be guaranteed to them. Basic shelter, food and education completely taken care of. Empowering them to further themselves as much as they want to. And being free to work where they want to as much as they want to. Not forced to persist in a toxic environment for a paycheck that is still inadequate.

        • hauiOPA
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          12 months ago

          Its definitely a great idea. Both that and shareholder primacy are very bad for every other stakeholder (environment, community, employees and so on). Imo, if we forces companies to split up we would empower so many people, we might be surprised at how good it could become with our current state of technology. As you said, we might give up forced work alltogether.

  • @jordanlund@lemmy.world
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    62 months ago

    I guess the question is “how do you differentiate from Antiwork?” but I guess you can figure it out! Good luck!

    • hauiOPA
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      72 months ago

      Great question! Thank you very much! It leads to new avenues of thought.

      I unsubscribed anti work a long time ago because I couldnt bear the negative and defeatist stuff I read on there, no offence btw. I respect the hell out of the people behind the communities both here and on reddit.

      This community is supposed to push positive change and inform about anti-corporate and help people who are still dependent on capitalism feel ok with saying no to corporations without having to be scared of everything breaking down.

      If you wanted to be very reductive, you could say, anti-capitalism-light or -step-one. Or anarchism-light. We‘re closely related but both anti capitalism and anarchism go a little further and out of scope of this place. We‘re only focused on fighting this specific evil because it is proven time and time again that focused effort has much more chance of success.

      Feel free to post more questions and ideas in the sub, pro or con. Both are good.

      Have a good one! :)

      • Emotional_Series7814
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        Regardless of my own stance on these things, just happy that you intend to have the community talk about ways to change stuff. I’d browse different subreddits and found way more “X sucks, here is my emotional vent about it” than “X sucks, here are some steps I took to make it suck less or affect my life less, even if they were tiny steps to combat a massive complex problem”. Was particularly frustrating when I was searching for a solution for a problem that applied to me, even making a post about it, and I got a ton of “I have been there too, you are not alone” but no actual actionable advice. Solidarity and empathizing helps but sometimes you just want practical advice, and given just how many spaces will give you a place to vent, it would be nice to have a place free of it that sticks more to how to fix it.

        I recognize the irony of me just blathering about my feelings here, talking about how you are doing the opposite of the thing that sometimes upsets me.

        • hauiOPA
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          22 months ago

          I can relate with this. Its a balance imo. Depending on your state of mind, you might want comiseration or advice.

          In this particular community I‘d like to go in a third direction. Not only venting or asking for advice but active sharing of techniques, mobilization focusing on group effort and efficiency instead of individual progress.

          Because what a lot of people dont get is that one person cant do anything to change the system by themselves but can very well change the world by pushing in a concerted effort.

          Its like the circles theory. You have close proximity: things you can directly change, far proximity: things you can only influence, weather: things you cant change at all.

          They teach you to take care about the first and foremost, if you have time to spare you use it on the second and leave the third alone.

          In here the second helps with the third. You can influence people to help you change the weather (quite literally, might I add). Its not fast but it does good so I keep at it.

          I‘m glad you‘re here.

  • @Tangent5280@lemmy.world
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    52 months ago

    Is lemmy really where you want discussions of such nature to be held, considering the entirely irreversably public nature of the protocol its built on?

    • hauiOPA
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      172 months ago

      Do you mean they might „boeing“ me? I‘m a little paranoid at times but not that much. Its not fun to live in this world at all and if by pushing for better conditions I make myself a target then so be it. There are so many anti capitalists, anarchists, communists and other folks out there and we‘re not seeing they be murdered or harassed on every corner.

      But maybe I got you wrong. What do you mean?

    • tjhart85
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      62 months ago

      As long as you’re not talking about throwing Molotov Cocktails at their CEOs, I don’t really see how that would matter

    • hauiOPA
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      52 months ago

      Hell yeah! Feel free to share your thoughts, sentiment and resources in posts. I bet others would like to see it! Thanks for contributing! Have a good one!

  • @Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world
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    They will not give up their wealth willingly. This battle began years ago and they’re kicking our ass more every year. All I can say is guerrilla warfare. The taliban won.

    • hauiOPA
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      22 months ago

      I dont think I get your point completely. What does this have to do with the taliban? In any case, I am positive that with enough support we will change things. Has been done in the past, will also be done in the future.

      • @Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world
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        Do you really think if you organize and do vote drives, they won’t come up with something like they did for Trump overnight? The Taliban won against the largest most advanced army in the world. They were everywhere and no where.

        • hauiOPA
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          12 months ago

          I think we‘re talking about very different things. The US going invading other countries with their military imo is not a positive thing. Same with irak.

          And yes, I think we can change stuff by organizing. It is how it has always worked. Of course it’s uncomfortable and those who either know it and want to keep people from doing that or those who want to excuse their own inaction would like to point out that it wont help.

          The organizing will continue until morale improves.

    • hauiOPA
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      12 months ago

      Thanks bot. my mistake. It was anticorporate, not anti-corporate.