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    okay. I’ve only seen stills of blue guy on a plate. How does this have any resemblance to the last supper? Is it just that there’s people at a long table? The more images I find the more concerned I am that christians have not seen a picture of the last supper.

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      It’s a well established historical fact that the last supper is the only time in history that people gathered around a table !

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    What, that’s not common knowledge?

    Btw, christmas was stolen from Yule. And some stories in the old testament are from Gilgamesh and Atrahasis Epos, like Mose’ abandonement in a reed basket as an example.

    Literally all beings and concepts in christianity have a pagan origin. Even ancient YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Tetragrammaton (God) goes probably back to El.

    But i guess that’s natural, concepts like an underworld are in above epics too, those sorts of stories developed over civilizations.

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      For sure, the ancient Israelites had a pantheon of gods, just like the Greeks. I mean, their monotheism developed out their own version paganism, of which Yahweh was but one of their gods. Specifically, the god of the storms that occurred in southern palestinian. He had a wife, multiple kids and a giant oversized novelty penis. Along with his god sized cock, he would often be represented as a bull, as a man with horns or a golden calf.

      Why yes, theexact kind of golden calf the Israelites started to worship when moses when up mount sinai to get the 10 commandments. Its specifically the exact reason they did it and not that they just decided to worship some random cow, despite having seen a bag full of miracles and monstrous amounts of child murder from their actual god first hand.

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        Yup, the calf was most likely a regular part of the northern Israel’s worship, but not of the southern Judah’s. Since most of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is written from a Judean perspective (which makes sense; it survived longer), it treats it as blasphemous, when in reality, to them, it wasn’t.

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      Like 4/5 of the Bible isn’t common knowledge to most Christians. To say nothing of the actual history of Christianity.

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      What, that’s not common knowledge?

      To the American Christians throwing a fit about this? No, they have no idea.

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    For accuracy sake, yes the depiction in the Olympics was meant to be Feast of the Gods, but that painting came after The Last Supper and is thought to be directly inspired by da Vinci. Last Supper - 1495 Feast of the Gods - 1635-1640

    Linking Wikipedia. The primaries appear to be in French 😅 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Festin_des_Dieux

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      Don’t forget the people that are mad at this also get mad then they hear Beethoven’s Ode to Joy performed or translated because the lyrics aren’t the same as the Christian hymn that plagiarized his melody. They also get mad when they hear Greensleeves performed because those lyrics don’t line up with the Christian hymn that uses the same melody either.

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    The same christians who got offended by this would also complain about muslims being prudish when they get pissy about showing their prophet.

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    This meme is just confused. The Feast of the Gods motif would be familiar to da Vinci and whether it was deliberately referenced or perhaps just a visual convention of how to portray a feast, and who influenced who are questions best asked to an art historian specialized on the time period. But ultimately it doesn’t really matter - da Vinci’s The Last Supper is one of the most iconic images in history and it’s not strange that people watching makes the connection, I certainly did even if I also got the reference to Les Festin des Dieux. Of course the idea that the ceremony mocks Jesus or whatever is a hysterical reaction, but that’s American evangelicals for you.

    Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical. The Last Supper is a painting, Leonardo is not the christian church. Leonardo was active during the high renaissance, a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe. References to pagan rome and greece was à la mode in art.

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    Apparently any time people are in a row on one end of a long table, it’s automatically a Last Supper reference.

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    Yahweh was actually the old god of the harvest and wine I believe. Before the Jewish Pantheon shrunk to one god only. So Yahweh was similar to Dionysus at one point. There are still remnants and mentions of the other gods in the old testament, like Yahweh’s wife Ashira and Baal who I think was an underworld god. Also funny that in the old testament, god talks about other gods as if they’re real but weak or bad, doesn’t deny they exist.

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      I remember a theory that Dionysus is the Christian god in disguise.

      There’s also a theory about Loki being the same.

      I don’t remember the details but these theories make more sense to me than the actual religions

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        To me it’s crazy that the Aztecs had a trickster god of mischief who would shape shift into a Fox. And across the planet we have Loki.

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    As someone raised as a Mor[m]on, their response would be: the pantheons of pagan gods are just corruptions of the Gospel taught to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Thankfully, Joe Smith (not a couch banger, just a plain old pedophiliac serial rapist like any other good Christian leader) restored (made up) the lost parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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        According to some ex-mormon lady on YouTube, one of her non-Mormon friends would quote/sing that at her when she would tell him about the beliefs of Mormonism, while they were in highschool. She didn’t catch what he was saying until after she left the church and saw that episode.

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    I still don’t know what is going on in this picture. Can someone explain? I know this is some type of an opening ceremony and conservative christians were upset by it.

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      the god of blood & wine, who died and was reborn, and often shown with pinecone imagery is celebrated on the winter solstice for the harvest of wine, and then again with the coming of spring for the end of winter harvest. Lots of dicks, flowers, fruit, baskets, bread, young unmarried women, etc.

      While it sounds like it could be, it is not Jesus. not Christmas. not Easter. Not the last supper. Many christians assumed so I guess and got mad. Plus omg people being promiscuous? in ancient greece/rome? GASP. Because we all know jesus killed adulterers and prostitutes…

      Anyways, it was for the greek god Dionysus, with the celebration Dionysia. or Bacchus and the celebration Bacchanalia if you’re roman.

      Man. Who could’ve guessed the french would like the god of wine & would want to honor that.