Grad is defederated here thankfully, it’s possible from the thread they made on !chapotraphouse@lexbear.net that they’ll defed from dbzer0 in the future, so at least here on dbzer0 it might not be an issue for much longer.

Ignore them, they are a troll and aren’t likely acting in good faith.

Yeah I didn’t realize how bad it was until @Nakoichi@hexbear.net decided to make a fraudulent report which urged me to investigate. Now that I know, I’m cleaning house here.

Agreed. If we allow horrible people to run wild in communities just because they’re being polite communities would be toxic as fuck. There is no polite or acceptable transphobia, there is no polite or acceptable Zionism. That shit is a cancer that needs to be cut out of any community where you see it growing. I’m sick of seeing people stand up for and apologize for hateful evil people like that because they’re “being poltie” or “just expressing ‘opinions’ man” fuck that.

Yes I made it very clear and upfront that Zionist apologia is not allowed, I never said or claimed it was a free speech community or that there wouldn’t be censorship. The fact that this thread was swarmed with sockpuppet trolls attacking me and the community just further proves I’m on the right path, and I will continue to issue bans to people acting like Zionist trolls or apologists.

I may have been a bit hyperbolic calling Germany a ‘police state’ at the same time not exactly since places where you can be arrested for non-violent speech are not far off from police states. Some people don’t believe it’s that bad but I’ve heard horror stories of these laws being used against people the government disagrees with. That has happened and will happen again.

I already got banned for criticizing Germany, I don’t want to get banned for defending them as well! ;)

Unless you’re defending or justifying Germany’s legislated Zionism that’s unlikely. Rule 2 doesn’t forbid people from defending Germany it only forbids defending Zionism, Zionist practices, Zionist laws, which can in some cased be thought of as defending Germany. CyberEgg certainly thought so, but he quickly started accusing me of genocide and antisemitism when I pointed out the comment he was banned for so…

I get that but also people who post in europe are getting tired of debating with every idiot who accuses them of being an antisemite, or hypocrite for following Greta Thunberg, or be asked stupid gotcha strawmans like claiming being against Israel is a call for genocide. These types of spaces are great for that kind of debate. But right now the sheer volume of Zionist trolls makes it risky to open Europe up for debate with them which is why they are blanket banned currently.

The problem is he’s framing it under the typical evil Zionist strawman that Israel not being a state implies violence when it doesn’t and the majority of people saying it aren’t implying that either. This is a blatant bad faith argument that has no substance or merit because he’s trying to create a fake gotcha so he can claim his Zionist beliefs are correct.

Thank you for proving to everyone what kind of person you are, yeah you lost most of the respect you had with the implication you made in your first response and you lost the rest when you confirmed yourself as exactly the Zionist apologist we thought you were. Good riddance.

Lol he just showed his true colors and that he deserved it all along.

answer a genocide with genocide.

What does this mean? This seems like a bad faith accusation which is in extremely poor taste right now. Are you trying to say that I encourage or death or harm to Israelis? Is that what you’re saying? It sounds a lot like that’s what you’re implying. It’s lovely when the mask comes right off and reveals people’s true intentions.

That isn’t what I originally banned them for. I updated the entry in the modlog to include a link to the original comment which got them banned but that comment doesn’t help their cause should they want to get an appeal later.

You are a loser, if it’s multiple people doing this you are all losers. No one is listening to you, they think you’re lying trolls and they are right to think that. Take the hint and fuck off!

Hi. Thank you for posting this. I apologize that I didn’t put the link to the comment in question in the reason or make it more clear. I have searched for and have re-applied the ban with a new reason including the link to your comment which prompted the ban. To specify, the claim that it is antisemitic to believe Israel shouldn’t exist as a nation state is considered Zionist apologia. Rule 2 Prohibits Zionism in any form, and extends on and off community. This isn’t the place to debate that or its merit.

Bans for bigotry and Zionism may be issued preemptively due to their severity and the fact that they undermine the values of the community. They will not be tolerated and if people really want to express Zionism or bigotry there are other places they can go.

Now I am open to appeals if people believe I made a mistake or if they believe they made a mistake, and of course you are free to appeal in the future when/if there is a new top mod in the community. But for now I think we’re done here. I hope I was able to clear things up and I hope you have a nice day.

They’re separate because at the moment there’s a lot of people who are intentionally or unintentionally confusing Anti-Zionist movements with antisemitism. Antisemitism is hate speech and bigotry which is banned under rule 1. Zionism and it’s corresponding genocide denial is also hate speech but is separated into its own rule for clarity and to also make it clear that polite or “civil” Zionism isn’t welcome either. That’s where we get the people arguing that ‘you should feel hypocritical for supporting Greta Thunberg because [Something Anti-Zionist she said]’.