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    So, once again…Trump just rolled over and let Putin tickle his belly. Why would anyone be surprised by this?

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        The guy brags about how he has this magical influence over Putin, and “if he were in charge, none of this would be happening”…but when presented with an opportunity to prove that influence, Putin just says, “Nah, fuck that”, leaving Trump with no choice but to shrug and say, “Oh, well…I tried”.

        If you don’t find this pathetically hilarious, then you need to check your pulse.

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          It’s funny that Trump believes he has leverage over Putin, yes.

          Your comment implied that Putin had leverage over Trump, which is equally false and hilarious. Sadly, the Western media has pushed that narrative to garner the most martial diplomatic stance possible in this Second Cold War.

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            My comment only implied that Putin holds the dominant role in their relationship. For all his tough talk, Trump goes as soft and submissive as a toothless puppy whenever Vlad enters the chat. Then he spends days gushing about how wonderful it was just to talk to him, regardless of the actual outcome. It’s like watching a 12 year old girl with a crush.

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                I don’t think the Ukrainians would agree with your assertion that their desire for independence is based on a “liberal obsession with the personalities involved”. I know for a fact that if it was my country being invaded by a hostile neighbor, I would hope someone out there would help us fight back…and not just encourage my people to surrender.

                Would this have been your advice to the Vietnamese when the Americans invaded their country? On the surface, they didn’t stand much of a chance either…so why didn’t they just give up and let the US take what they wanted, in order to “save more lives”? Why would any country resist being invaded by a hostile foreign power? By this logic, the aggressor should always win…and no one would ever be safe.

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                  Ukraine was independent before it was couped in 2014 by the US and pushed to fight against Russia, intentionally breaking agreements with Russia and fomenting war precisely so it could be carved up by the US and the EU and turned into a neo-colony. If my country was being invaded by the country my leadership was instigating a war with for years, agreeing to treaties and then intentionally breaking them, multiple times in the decade prior to the invasion, while said leadership is blatantly profiting off of it, I would certainly blame my own government for inciting such a situation, and plenty of Ukrainians do.

                  Comparing Vietnam to Ukraine is such a fucking cracker take that it must hurt your arm. Vietnam was colonized and brutalized by France and then invaded by the US, two nations which are thousands of miles away and otherwise had no base of support in the region. They were fighting an actual people’s war of liberation against a force who had literally taken over more or less the entire nation, enslaving it for a century. Ukraine didn’t even exist until the fall of the Soviet Union and has been a corrupt oligarchy since. Liberals are so clueless yet so confident in showing how they refuse to learn a single thing.

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                  Ukraine’s 2014 coup d’etat brought US-backed fascists into power, which fractured the country into a civil war. The oblasts in the east and south sought independence in order to escape the ensuing ethnic persecution, but in response, fascist paramilitaries invaded the donbass and escalated it to violent ethnic cleansing. Eight years of attempted ceasefires were broken by the West[1] before Russia finally intervened.

                  “8 Years Before” Donbass Documentary


                  1. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/02/10/ukraine-zelensky-minsk-peace-russia/ ↩︎

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            He could make it so no people die, just by calling off the invasion. If he hasn’t done it by now, what makes you think that’s what he wants?

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                What isn’t serious about it?

                An invading force can withdraw from the conflict any time they want and it would end the war. Which would prevent any further deaths.

                The fact that Putin still keeps invading means he doesn’t care about the lives of Russian soldiers or the lives in the country he is invading.