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schizoidman@lemm.ee to Europe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 18 days ago

Trump-Putin call on war in Ukraine is another blow to Kyiv and its allies

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Trump-Putin call on war in Ukraine is another blow to Kyiv and its allies

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schizoidman@lemm.ee to Europe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 18 days ago
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The US president dropped his earlier insistence on an unconditional 30-day ceasefire. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.
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              Did you want to test if I was true to my word? You got your answer.

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          It’s funny that Trump believes he has leverage over Putin, yes.

          Your comment implied that Putin had leverage over Trump, which is equally false and hilarious. Sadly, the Western media has pushed that narrative to garner the most martial diplomatic stance possible in this Second Cold War.

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                  Ukraine was independent before it was couped in 2014 by the US and pushed to fight against Russia, intentionally breaking agreements with Russia and fomenting war precisely so it could be carved up by the US and the EU and turned into a neo-colony. If my country was being invaded by the country my leadership was instigating a war with for years, agreeing to treaties and then intentionally breaking them, multiple times in the decade prior to the invasion, while said leadership is blatantly profiting off of it, I would certainly blame my own government for inciting such a situation, and plenty of Ukrainians do.

                  Comparing Vietnam to Ukraine is such a fucking cracker take that it must hurt your arm. Vietnam was colonized and brutalized by France and then invaded by the US, two nations which are thousands of miles away and otherwise had no base of support in the region. They were fighting an actual people’s war of liberation against a force who had literally taken over more or less the entire nation, enslaving it for a century. Ukraine didn’t even exist until the fall of the Soviet Union and has been a corrupt oligarchy since. Liberals are so clueless yet so confident in showing how they refuse to learn a single thing.

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                  Ukraine’s 2014 coup d’etat brought US-backed fascists into power, which fractured the country into a civil war. The oblasts in the east and south sought independence in order to escape the ensuing ethnic persecution, but in response, fascist paramilitaries invaded the donbass and escalated it to violent ethnic cleansing. Eight years of attempted ceasefires were broken by the West[1] before Russia finally intervened.

                  “8 Years Before” Donbass Documentary


                  1. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/02/10/ukraine-zelensky-minsk-peace-russia/ ↩︎

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        If the sanctions didn’t work against Russia, their economy wouldn’t be in such a bad shape that Moscow needs to lie about it.

        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-economy-worse-shape-than-moscow-says-report-eu-shows-2025-05-13/

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      If Putin really got everything he wanted, then wouldn’t there have been some kind of deal reached?

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          So fewer people die.

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              I don’t think you’re being serious anymore.

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                What isn’t serious about it?

                An invading force can withdraw from the conflict any time they want and it would end the war. Which would prevent any further deaths.

                The fact that Putin still keeps invading means he doesn’t care about the lives of Russian soldiers or the lives in the country he is invading.

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                  Unfortunately, NATO is a thug which only understands force; it can’t be reasoned with.

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      This is not about surprise.

      It is just bad news. Evil is growing on both sides.

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    Holy shit did this thread get over ran by a tankie brigade.

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