• Fusselwurm@feddit.org
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    I’m thinking of it more as the decline of the Roman Republic.

    don’t worry, there’s still a lot of way to go for the American empire.

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      Rome couldn’t obliterate itself in a nuclear fire during its innumerable civil wars as it heads towards inevitable global climate collapse.

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.world
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    Seems like a completely normal and natural reaction to large-scale disturbing changes. Staying sane is the first priority. Or as they put it in Wrath of Khan…

    Carol Marcus: “How can you think of food at a time like this?”

    Kirk [eating an apple]: “First order of business - survival.”

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    Nothing new, though. People have always tried to stick to normality during momentous events. It’s not like everything immediately dissolves into anarchy.

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    I mean… You can’t think about it 24/7 or else you will go insane. This kind of thing requires endurance for the long haul.

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        Why dont you explain for those who disagree when exactly a country founded on genocide, that has always stood for the domination of the capitalist over the workering class at home, but mostly abroad was worth saving? The brief period the brief period they supported the USSR?

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          Cuz real people live here and the majority of them don’t deserve to have to suffer over it

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        Really liked that time the cia couped my democratically elected government

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        Even if it wasn’t, fact of the matter is that innocent people would have died in its collapse, and that would be unacceptable regardless.

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    We like watching America’s Got Talent and big talents shows like that … recently I just began to realize …

    Historians will be noting how we were all wrapped up in these big talent shows and feel good programs while the entire political landscape just slowly slid into WWIII without anyone really paying attention.

    • NickwithaC@lemmy.world
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      We are paying attention but we all feel like there’s nothing we can do to stop it so we try to numb the pain.

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        Dear future historians: You wil look back in horror but know that we feel helpless. The only parallel we have ended in a world war that had to be ended by a newly arisen superpower. And that scares the shit out of us.

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          I watched that a couple of years ago and it was a definite realization of the world we live in and how it got this way. One of the most necessary documentaries that everyone should watch.

          Move your social media use to places like Mastodon and get your new union members to talk there. You will find plenty of union minded people there once you start exploring the communities everywhere. Mastodon is still so new that not many company minded people go there … those same corporate people instead go to the big private social media sites instead and don’t even think that there is any alternative.

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        America was created by violence any change that ever occurs has occurred through conflict. You don’t ask a bully to stop

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      I can only consume so much bad news before I go binge watch something funny or a show where good triumphs over evil.

      It might be learned helplessness, but right now there don’t seem to be a lot of things normal citizens can do. Crazy people took over, and all the protesting and pleading in the world won’t prevent them from doing what they want to do.

      My guess is the protests will be escalated by the administration. Maybe they’ll toss in a few paid agitators. A cop or ice agent gets shot. Trump makes a rambling speech about law and order. Declares martial law and becomes a real dictator. The protests have been largely cool so far and it is obvious that is not what he is looking for.

      Anyways yeah, sorry I’m going to watch some TV and dissociate.

      • BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world
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        I’m fairly certain this is the plan, but he’s going to wait to pull out his martial law card for when they need to suspend elections. I 100% expect to see some fuckery in '28. I’m guessing that’s when the war will begin.

      • IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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        I hate to say it but on many nights and evenings … I feel and do the same.

        I’m older, my wife is chronically sick, we can’t leave house and I spend most of my days reading and watching how the world is falling apart and there is not much I do about it all.

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        ‘Panem et circenses’ … a phrase that’s been used, suggested, implied and actually played out for hundreds of years in society.

        Also never noticed how built Bones was until I saw that jiggly bicep.

    • RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world
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      You make an interesting point. If I flip it around. WWI and II both began in a mostly pre-television world. I guess you could say televison has brought safety?

      • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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        Back in olden times unless you were a total nerd you could get a few radio stations and, if you’re lucky, three whole TV stations. Getting everyone to think the same thing was easy when they all got their news and culture from the same place.

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          Now we are extremely fragmented, with tons of niche groups. Yet we seem more influenced than ever by the news feed of current events.

      • IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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        I think it’s worse … much much worse.

        A hundred to two hundred years ago, it was hard to control people and entertain them enmasse … the best way they knew how was through violence … yet WWI and WWII happened anyway.

        Now we have a million ways to entertain and distract people but at the same time a million ways and reasons to start WWIII

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      The vast majority, yes. And some are standing next to you, shaking you, dying on the streets, getting shot by murder groups called “police”.

      Its like “boring dystopia” reshaped into “boring horrormovie”

      The historians will not mention it like this, most likely. They will rewrite history as we have always done to fit the narrative of the current dictator.

      And they will keep smearing better systems as “the real evil”.

      Its like idiocracy and dont look up had hateful sex and got a disgusting supercharged dystopia baby.

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      America is an imperialist empire and fascist are the useful idiots of empire. And the Democratic Party is a neoliberal party, which if you look at the global spectrum of conservatism versus liberalism, it is actually a right wing ideology. So it can be argued there isn’t even a left wing in America, and a lot of people are just confused about their political affiliations. We are in a time of reactionary populism. America is a right-wing country and liberals just choose to ignore our brutality overseas. And so every time there is a conflict there is a high chance that liberals will get sucked in to being a part of the military industrial complex and the imperialist aims of the imperial core since Yankees live in a vacuum… This is why they’re still confused about Ukraine. And like, if you study history, you know this like cycle repeats itself. It’s frustrating. People don’t have framework. Depending where you are on the social hierarchy, you either are comfortable and happy with your life. Or you realize how low on the totem pole you are. And it’s kind of like you live in North Korea with a mixture of Disneyland, but you forgot your wallet and you’re not allowed to leave. It’s so frustrating when liberals take up the space that’s supposed to be occupied by the left wing, and then they police us and tell us how to think. What we are experiencing is the imperial boomerang, or in the intelligence communities, they call it blowback. Yankees create terrorism. Yankees create their own problems. Not only are Yankees stupid, but that stupidity makes them terrifying. They like to frame anarchist as reactionaries, but it is really the liberals and the Christofacist that tend to be reactionary, but in their own little ways. It’s like you’re Sunni and Shia and Trump and his inner circle are… playing you like a fiddle as Rome burns. The rich just care about their status. They have no loyalty to national pride or the betterment of the world that they control. I think they plan on lowering standards and changing norms and kind of running things with a hands off approach but not letting things improve on purpose. The more you know, the angrier you get, and then eventually you get tired. Yeah, Orange Man bad and so every fucking American president ever. Every single social improvement was just the compromise of the rich. They put their nonsense on pause so they can continue with their plans and everything is going according to plan. It’s like you gotta pull yourself out of the situation. Look at it from an Eagle’s view. But it seems like eagles become vultures. “Love me, love me, I’m a liberal.” - Phil Ochs

  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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    Wouldn’t call this cancer that terrorised the world for decades, not even centuries and empire.