Original title (which I find a bit too click-baity):

Socialism: Let’s Not Resuscitate the Worst Mistake of the 20th Century

  • stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net
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    10 months ago

    Every single state created after a revolution by a socialist or communist Party has resulted in a continuation of capitalism.

    This is absolutely correct.

    And every single stateless society created after a revolution has been crushed by state violence.

    So what options are there?

    Work within a capitalist state to mitigate its worst excesses (the European democratic socialist model)?

    Work towards a socialist state that practices state capitalism as a transition stage to full communism, and hope your socialist state won’t become a self-perpetuating dictatorship clinging to state power for its own sake?

    Build a stateless society within a “friendly” state and hope that state’s leaders will treat it kindly?

    • poVoq@slrpnk.netOP
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      10 months ago

      Large nation states as a form of organizing a society are a fairly recent phenomenon.

      A “stateless” society doesn’t usually mean that there is a singular wide-spread power vacuum that is ripe for state takeover. Rather it means that there is a patchwork of varying levels of organisation grade with maybe some city states more akin to modern day social democracies or widely other forms of organisation. The vital distinction being that it is much easier to vote with your feet and that they are united in their wish to not be dominated by a nation state. So called democratic confederalism is one of the better known variants of this idea, and this has also been the dominant form of society during most of human history.

    • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.netM
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      10 months ago

      And every single stateless society created after a revolution has been crushed by state violence.

      Since achieving a stateless society is my goal, I dont see why that strategy is a failure.

      And while I dont claim them to be anarchist, Rojava and the Zapatistas are still resisting state violence.