You don’t have to be “into politics” to hate the state of current situations. We can all feel left behind when infrastructure fails, society piles on, prices skyrocket and basic homes are out of reach financially.
i think the point they’re making is that not being into politics prevents one from recognizing the root cause(s) for these problems and indirectly perpetuates them. which I think is by design honestly. it’s in the best interest of capital owners that working people are not interested in politics.
You can get into politics minimally, you don’t have to nerd out on it, but everyone should have a basic understanding of the political system.
It’s like complaining that your house constantly catches fire but never bothering to realise that your extension cable monstrosity is causing the problem. A basic understanding of the electricity would have prevented the fire in the first place, and learning about electricity now would prevent future fires. But instead you just complain that your house catches fire every other week.
Exactly, I actually hate politics with a firey passion and would love nothing more than to be able to ignore it. But I hate the current state of affairs even more, so I am forced to pay attention.
It’s like how I dislike wiping my ass, but I love having a clean asshole. Sometimes you have to do things you don’t like to get the preferred outcome.
You don’t have to be into “water” to hate the state of being thirsty. We can all feel parched and frustrated when we don’t drink it, don’t pay our water bill, or eat a cup of salt every day.
Everything is political. Trans people need you to talk and act like it is, so politiphobia can’t be used for transphobia. Engaging in politiphobia is a microaggression against trans people.
This is an unpopular opinion, but yeah. I wouldn’t go so far as microaggression, but whenever someone says “I don’t really care for politics” it makes me think of all the anti-trans bills and how apparently they just don’t give a damn that that’s happening, or don’t even care enough to learn that that’s happening. Do you care about trans people being oppressed? Congratulations, you care about politics. That’s just kinda how it works, and it sucks.
THIS is literally the exact kind of bullshit that makes people not take you seriously, whether you like it or not.
Politiphobia IS NOT a thing!
There’s almost no way to use the word ‘microaggression’ without sounding like a self-important twat!
How about we focus on securing some actual rights for trans people before we start trying to deliver awkward/juvenile ultimatums regarding micro- anythings? 🧐🧐🧐
Posts like this miss the forest for the trees to a dangerous degree, imo
I’m emotional about the fact that there’s a portion of the population in this country that seem to think they have any sort of say over what types of medical care another portion of the population can have, where - or even if they get to use the bathroom, or - let’s just be honest here - breathe, live; Ya know, little things like that.
This is why it’s sooo fucking frustrating for me to see all these people shooting themselves in the foot. I dunno if any of y’all paid attention or not, but there was a pretty big election recently that got handed to a racist, recognized by the courts as a rapist, felon who is (and long has been) expressing blatant signs of dementia running on a platform that largely centered around kicking the brown people out of the country indiscriminately.
Your opposition here is fucking big, loud, nasty, violent MACROaggressions, and yet I still see people like you guys on here doing… what? Chastising people (who might actually be on your side already, mind you) who express signs of frustration/displeasure with the people who you need them to be upset with for being so fed up or whatever prompts their “I’m apolitical” statement? Not just chastising, even, but calling it a ‘microaggression’? Which, aside from just sounding like the whiniest thing you can say, immediately paints them as the adversary, putting them on the defensive. And - for those of you playing along at home who might recall - since we’ve already established who your opposition is (or should be, rather), now that you’ve put our theoretical “apolitical” person into defense mode too, well… If the enemy of my enemy is my friend then…
Hmm… Maybe making people feel like they’re just as bad as the racist fuckheads because they perhaps don’t grasp that everything has something of a political component to it isn’t the best strategy, as it turns out.
Meeting people where they are is a vital part of the rhetorical process. The bigots and oligarchs are speaking the language of the ordinary people and a lot of those people are making it clear that their vote is contingent on such things.
I get the value of inclusive language. I’ve been involved in trans activism for a long time and I’ve watched us go from “please stop referring to us with porn categories and dehumanizing language” to things that while I agree with definitely can come off as nitpicking.
You’ll get way further telling someone that they’re only able to not care about politics because there are a few heads in front of them on the chopping block and that the guy with an axe keeps telling them they’re safe. You’ll also get a lot further bringing others’ needs into the realm of their concerns. Its why I’m a huge proponent of PFLAG. A lot of straight and cis people struggle to empathize with queer needs, but can readily see themselves in the shoes of our parents. The right has learned this tactic from gay activism while we’ve let it fall to the wayside.
White liberals are too oblivious to persuade with fear. You have to persuade them by appealing to their saviour complex. They won’t avoid apoliticism for their own sake, but you can convince them to be heroes to the trans community. It’s positive motivation. The carrot, not the stick.
If you believe that more people being into politics will help the trans, we don’t have the same experience.
In my experience, the people that approve of trans people are all politically active. The people that aren’t politically active don’t tend to like trans people.
You don’t have to be “into politics” to hate the state of current situations. We can all feel left behind when infrastructure fails, society piles on, prices skyrocket and basic homes are out of reach financially.
i think the point they’re making is that not being into politics prevents one from recognizing the root cause(s) for these problems and indirectly perpetuates them. which I think is by design honestly. it’s in the best interest of capital owners that working people are not interested in politics.
That’s fine. Just don’t waste anyone else’s time complaining about that stuff if you’re not going to exert the minimal effort to do anything about it.
Forget doing anything, they can’t even be bothered to learn what any of it means
You can get into politics minimally, you don’t have to nerd out on it, but everyone should have a basic understanding of the political system.
It’s like complaining that your house constantly catches fire but never bothering to realise that your extension cable monstrosity is causing the problem. A basic understanding of the electricity would have prevented the fire in the first place, and learning about electricity now would prevent future fires. But instead you just complain that your house catches fire every other week.
Exactly, I actually hate politics with a firey passion and would love nothing more than to be able to ignore it. But I hate the current state of affairs even more, so I am forced to pay attention.
It’s like how I dislike wiping my ass, but I love having a clean asshole. Sometimes you have to do things you don’t like to get the preferred outcome.
You don’t have to be into “water” to hate the state of being thirsty. We can all feel parched and frustrated when we don’t drink it, don’t pay our water bill, or eat a cup of salt every day.
Everything is political. Trans people need you to talk and act like it is, so politiphobia can’t be used for transphobia. Engaging in politiphobia is a microaggression against trans people.
This is an unpopular opinion, but yeah. I wouldn’t go so far as microaggression, but whenever someone says “I don’t really care for politics” it makes me think of all the anti-trans bills and how apparently they just don’t give a damn that that’s happening, or don’t even care enough to learn that that’s happening. Do you care about trans people being oppressed? Congratulations, you care about politics. That’s just kinda how it works, and it sucks.
I think you sort of have a point but it’s been lost by the word salad.
Anyone who ever unironically says the phrase microaggression automatically sounds like an absolute twit
THIS is literally the exact kind of bullshit that makes people not take you seriously, whether you like it or not.
Politiphobia IS NOT a thing! There’s almost no way to use the word ‘microaggression’ without sounding like a self-important twat! How about we focus on securing some actual rights for trans people before we start trying to deliver awkward/juvenile ultimatums regarding micro- anythings? 🧐🧐🧐
Posts like this miss the forest for the trees to a dangerous degree, imo
You seem very emotional about their word choice. So how about I reframe it.
Avoiding voting is a luxury because you’re not going to be killed by either administration. And failing to vote is a passive attack on those who will.
I’m emotional about the fact that there’s a portion of the population in this country that seem to think they have any sort of say over what types of medical care another portion of the population can have, where - or even if they get to use the bathroom, or - let’s just be honest here - breathe, live; Ya know, little things like that.
This is why it’s sooo fucking frustrating for me to see all these people shooting themselves in the foot. I dunno if any of y’all paid attention or not, but there was a pretty big election recently that got handed to a racist, recognized by the courts as a rapist, felon who is (and long has been) expressing blatant signs of dementia running on a platform that largely centered around kicking the brown people out of the country indiscriminately.
Your opposition here is fucking big, loud, nasty, violent MACROaggressions, and yet I still see people like you guys on here doing… what? Chastising people (who might actually be on your side already, mind you) who express signs of frustration/displeasure with the people who you need them to be upset with for being so fed up or whatever prompts their “I’m apolitical” statement? Not just chastising, even, but calling it a ‘microaggression’? Which, aside from just sounding like the whiniest thing you can say, immediately paints them as the adversary, putting them on the defensive. And - for those of you playing along at home who might recall - since we’ve already established who your opposition is (or should be, rather), now that you’ve put our theoretical “apolitical” person into defense mode too, well… If the enemy of my enemy is my friend then…
Hmm… Maybe making people feel like they’re just as bad as the racist fuckheads because they perhaps don’t grasp that everything has something of a political component to it isn’t the best strategy, as it turns out.
Ah. Victim blaming. Yeah, that tracks.
Using inclusive language is part of the political process to change laws and get rights.
Meeting people where they are is a vital part of the rhetorical process. The bigots and oligarchs are speaking the language of the ordinary people and a lot of those people are making it clear that their vote is contingent on such things.
I get the value of inclusive language. I’ve been involved in trans activism for a long time and I’ve watched us go from “please stop referring to us with porn categories and dehumanizing language” to things that while I agree with definitely can come off as nitpicking.
You’ll get way further telling someone that they’re only able to not care about politics because there are a few heads in front of them on the chopping block and that the guy with an axe keeps telling them they’re safe. You’ll also get a lot further bringing others’ needs into the realm of their concerns. Its why I’m a huge proponent of PFLAG. A lot of straight and cis people struggle to empathize with queer needs, but can readily see themselves in the shoes of our parents. The right has learned this tactic from gay activism while we’ve let it fall to the wayside.
White liberals are too oblivious to persuade with fear. You have to persuade them by appealing to their saviour complex. They won’t avoid apoliticism for their own sake, but you can convince them to be heroes to the trans community. It’s positive motivation. The carrot, not the stick.
If you believe that more people being into politics will help the trans, we don’t have the same experience.
In my experience, the people that approve of trans people are all politically active. The people that aren’t politically active don’t tend to like trans people.
The myth that there are people who aren’t into politics is dangerous. People use that myth to harass trans people.