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      Point of order:

      “Illegal” isn’t always “immoral”. “Legal” isn’t always “moral”.

      If one’s best defense is “it’s not technically illegal”, that’s a very weak spot to be in.

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      Dude, you’re a muppet if you think everything he has done is within the law. The only reason he is getting away with breaking the law is because the only check is the legislature’s power of impeachment and it has been captured by the fascists.

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          10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard In Federal Service

          (3): […] Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the states

          Trump specifically did not engage with Newsom in commandeering CA National Guard troops.

          18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus

          Whoever, except in cases and under the circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

          Using the military for ICE enforcement is against the law.

          Want more information? https://youtu.be/zJ7Dfca4_y8

          • “10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government. Doesn’t need an invasion just needs danger of a rebellion. Attempting to murder federal officers and attempting to directly subvert the will of the federal government is by definition a rebellious act.

            Where has the supreme court ruled that this deployment is illegal? Can u point me to it please?

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              is by definition a rebellious act.

              This is conflating “rebellious” with a rebellion. Rebellion is an uprising that resists and is organized against one’s government. The scale and degree matter, here. Your definition would turn any civil disobedience into a “rebellion” which is farcical on its face.

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                  No. That is far, far below sufficient. An example of a rebellion is when the confederacy decided slaves were more important than unity and literally attempted to form another government. There are many other examples of rebellion you can draw from history, and from fiction that all seek usurping power and wholesale replacement of the existing government. That is a whole different ballgame than harassing some cosplaying nazis that are overstepping the bounds of civility and getting butthurt that people aren’t licking their boots.

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              10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard In Federal Service

              (3): […] Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the states

              Trump specifically did not engage with Newsom in commandeering CA National Guard troops.

              You skipped over reading this part.

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      That’s strange, how has he lost so many court cases then (overseen by judges he appointed)