When the rich want war it’s the poor who have to die.
What happens if the War in the Middle East ever stops generating obscene profits?
An actual historian can chime in if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the middle east has had some sort of internal or external conflict going on for all of history. So the answer to your question is likely “still war”.
I’m pretty sure the middle east has had some sort of internal or external conflict going on for all of history
Prior to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Middle East enjoyed centuries of peace and prosperity. From the 13th to 20th centuries, you were far safer in Damascus or Baghdad or Tehran than Paris or Berlin or Rome. Europe was in a continuous state of civil conflict during this period.
The Middle Eastern states were a popular refuge for European civilians fleeing the 30-Years-War, the Napoleonic Wars, the various wars of consolidation and independence following the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the World Wars. Countries from Morocco to Iran were all common destinations thanks to their unaligned status and divorce from the conflicts in Europe. More common even than the Americas. In fact, a big early appeal of the Palestinian Mandate was that it allowed Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike to escape the pogroms north of the Mediterranean.
In the early years, at the start of the Cold War, a number of the former European colonies broke away from their now-destitute colonial masters. This lead to brief civil struggles, largely centered around the capitals where all those European WW1/2 refugees had piled in. But by and large, the democratization of the Middle East was far more peaceful than the democraticization of Europe.
It wasn’t until the 1950s, when spy games between the US and the USSR began to topple unaligned governments, that war in the Middle East became commonplace. But what we’re seeing today is a novelty of the 20th/21st century. You’re ignoring centuries of peaceful coexistence and fixating on a few ancient (Crusades) and a few very recent (Soviet/Post-Soviet) violent flare ups.
So I checked Wikipedia, and the list of conflicts in the middle east in the years between 1300 to 1800 is far from empty. I know it’s easier to blame everything on the US, but you are ignoring dozens of different conflicts that occurred during that span of years.
So I checked Wikipedia
Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.
I know it’s easier to blame everything on the US
Trying to explain to the judge that blaming Jeffrey Dahmer for all those bodies in the fridge is the easy answer and the jury needs to approach things more critically.
I mean, if it makes you feel any better, the blame falls off the US once you spin the clock back before McKinley. The societal collapse during the 17th and 18th centuries are largely a consequence of imperial policies of England, France, and Spain.
Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.
Why would I do that? It would have nothing to do with anything I said.
Lol. Hypocrite
How is conflict defined? And are we talking total deaths or deaths per year.
So I checked Wikipedia
“You may have made extensive, well reasoned argument, but I have consulted the Holy Scripture (Wikipedia) and it says you’re wrong.”
To be fair they at least provided a source for their information. While it is Wikipedia its slightly better than “Trust me bro!”
Not really, no. A well reasoned argument is better than just linking Wikipedia and saying “no”
It may sound nice but it has zero sources for the claims.
I can’t believe this racist bullshit is getting upvoted. Europe has far more of a history of being perpetually at war than the middle east.
Middle eastern history nerd here!
The horror!
World
piecepeace tour!
Damn that’s even better.
Religion will create all war in the Middle East.
People who don’t read history create reductive takes
Except almost all the problems in the middle east today can be traced to the Sykes pico agreement and imperialism by secular powers
Most of the war in the middle east for the past century was created by secular imperialists, motivated by material greed and racism.
nice job fabricating consent to murder civilians
interesting, when a nation forms in the middle east without western influence, you get a mutual aid feminist state, which the media does it’s best to ignore, because the narrative that it is ethical to bomb arabs must be preserved.
You realize the kurds are heavily backed by the US, Israel and other western powers?
then why are their letting a NATO state (turky) to attack them?
Thats a long story, and true to any organization involved in syrian civil war, it’s a story that could be taught to me perfectly and I still wouldnt understand half of it.
Simply whilst the US etc would prefer the SDF and by extenstion the YJP etc, Turkey would rather not have a kurdistani group in the area, for so many reasons. As such the turks have taken “buffer” zones in the area, and since Turkey is quite an important ally to nato etc, and important in containing Russia expansionism, the States has been quite passive about letting turkey invade.
Im sure someone can add more detail, but my knowlegde of the precise mechanics of the SDF US Turkey relationship is lack luster.
Pretty sure it’s the rich and powerful who expect to become more rich and more powerful when there is war in the Middle East that bring about war in the Middle East.
Politicians,
If we spend a trillion of taxpayers money to kill brown civilians, it will funnel billions into the pockets of the worst scum on earth, and they will funnel that tax money that could have been used on healthcare, housing, education… straight into my pockets.
Politicians literally burning taxpayers and human lives in order to get a billionth of that cash.
imagine robbing a bank, by setting it on fire with people inside, only to walk away with 3$ and call it a success.
The same can be said of Middle Earth.
And Middle Kingdom
And Malcolm in the Middle
And I would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for your middlesome kids!
I’m gassy. I haven’t started war in the middle east yet, but I’m young. Ish.
hey, we all grow up at our own time.
no rush,
you’ll start your war in the middle east when you’re ready.
OMG, Nostradamus was right!!!
“An empire will rise”
“An empire will fall”
“War will break out in the Middle East”
“The Boston Red Sox will win a World Series”OMG, was this man a wizard or what?!!
I’m a weak man UwU
strong men create good times (when they meet the weak man)
; )
War… War in the Middle East never changes.
Sounds like men are the problem.
Counterpoint: Margaret Thatcher
honorary man
Yeah, no woman other than Margaret has ever done anything on her scale, ever.
Agreed 🙄🙄
honorary men
That and times
indeed
and
make
I mean have you met men? It’s starting to come together in my mind that because of the societal pressure to prevent us from expressing feelings in a healthy manner this is ALL a direct result of it.
I’m a man. Bring on the matriarchy! So long as the matriarchy isn’t a bunch of Thatchers!
Edit: oh, hey, cake!
Counter argument: Sophie Thatcher
Oil makes war in the middle east.
What if we all converted to the same religion, mine?
Nothing would change because religion is not the motivation, but the justification.
I am interested!
But i like my holy spaghettimonster. It looks tasty and in the afterworld is a beervolcano (where some of believers agree that it gives any drink poeple like)
Too bad, we worship capybaras now and only do what they tell us to do. Now get in the bath and put an orange on your head!
I accept the friend shaped ones as holy/gods/masters 🍊
I’m pretty much already part of your religion I just disagree with you on one very minor detail. We are now mortal enemies.
The Rules of Acquisition? I hate to tell you, but that’s kinda what got us into this mess.
Everyone has their war in the Middle East except the weak men who put it on the Middle East for some reason
for some reason
Because it’s true. Strong men don’t fight themselves.
