• Altima NEO@lemmy.zip
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    8 months ago

    That announcement made no sense. They literally had nothing to show. Meanwhile, they were also announcing Star Field… Which also had nothing to show.

    They were expecting 76 to be a bigger deal and they were flopping around like a limp fish looking to keep people interested.

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      8 months ago

      I’m about 30 hours into my first serious Morrowind playthrough after a few attempts that never took off. Man it took a while for it to click but this game is genius. I tried getting back into Oblivion and Skyrim after several years but they didn’t suck me in like MW has recently

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          A big part of that is in those games you can just click anywhere in the map you’ve already been and be there in a second. The quest markers don’t do the player any favors either.

          Morrowind is equally ridiculous and grounded at the same time. On one hand, you can come up with spells or enchantments that will turn your character into a god. On the other hand, you have to pay attention to quest givers and follow directions like you would in real life. You have to keep your eyes peeled and on the way you’ll run into new things

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            8 months ago

            It’s true that is a big part of what makes those different. Truth is initially it’s a design shift Bethsoft made out of convenience for themselves, not for the players.

            They explained why they did it like that on Oblivion. Basically, while a lot more immersive, Morrowind’s actual quest directions were kind of pain during development. Regularly, a quest objective would be adjusted and moved somewhere else, and they had to track down all related dialogues and logs to correct them. In fact, a few quest logs still have incorrect informations in the final game (e.g. west instead of east!).

            The problem was made a lot worse with Oblivion since all dialogues now had voice acting. It was not possible for them to record voice lines again when they changed stuff, and I guess even if they got it right the first time, how many more lines would just be “follow that road, turn there, second door to your right” whatever? Oblivion was already an incredible feat of voiced dialogue back then, this is surely one of the corners they had to cut (in general, dialogue was made a lot simpler than it was in Morrowind).

            For better or worse, that’s the real reason for the compass and quest markers.

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      8 months ago

      Yeahhhh, it was a really sad realization for me when I realized elder scolls 6 would no longer be an automatic day one purchase. After Fallout 4, then 76, and now Starfield (which I was skeptical about since they first started its pre-release marketing cycle anyway), I’m realizing that Bethesda is heading in the direction of so many other legacy game companies and just doesn’t seem to be interested in publishing the kinds of games that put them on the map any more; a la Bioware, EA, and Blizzard.

      At least SuckerPunch is still putting out good stuff, as much as I miss the Sly Cooper games 🥲

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        And yet every asswipe with an internet is whining about how Starfield is too much like Bethesda’s other stuff.

        So are they getting too far away, or are they doing the same thing?

        Get with the other dinks and figure it out.

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          8 months ago

          Huh? Chill dude, no need to call names. People are allowed to have their own opinions on a piece of media. I can assure you I’m not part of some kind of Starfield-hating cabal. I just didn’t like it. Sorry.

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          8 months ago

          “Hey entire internet, get on the same page already!”

          I hate it when anyone whatsoever disagrees with anything, no matter how unimportant.

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    8 months ago

    Great.

    I’m never buying anything Bethesda makes again. But wowee zowee, ES:6 so poggers let’s goooooooooooooo

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    8 months ago

    They did put a pretty massive gap between Skyrim and ES6. Of course, fans will start to wonder, whether anything’s in the pipeline, when it could have realistically been close to release in 2018 already. I guess, they focused on Fallout for a few years, which is a valid decision, but I don’t think, they ever announced that this means ES6 isn’t yet in the works.

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      8 months ago

      It depends on what you mean by “in the works.” Active development? It probably just started, if it has yet. Pre-production and planning? That’s been going on for a while now.

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        Well, active development. Especially for TES fans, it may be difficult to grasp why they would not start with TES6 right after the release + bugfixing of Skyrim. Others may understand that they’ll do Fallout 4 in between.

        But doing two Fallouts + Fallout in Space Starfield, it would have deserved a comment from Bethesda.

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          8 months ago

          Technically, they only did one fallout, but I get your point from the average consumer view. FO76 was done by a different group than the one who’d be working on TES6.

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            Yeah, I was considering giving that technicality its room, especially because ESO exists. ESO is kind of FO76 in the TES universe.

            But at the same time, ESO wasn’t really what most TES fans hoped for either, so from that average consumer view, it may actually even feel like another project that’s somewhat misguided, while waiting for TES6.

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    8 months ago

    It felt it at the time. I also think this was the same time that 76 was revealed? I remember reading that they were trying to boost their value for the incoming Microsoft buyout by getting some live service games on their docket (76, Youngblood, Redfall). As meh as they’ve become, the feeling I had playing Oblivion for the first time is a dragon I don’t think I’ll ever catch again, no matter how much I chase.

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      8 months ago

      Eh, games haven’t been as captivating as they were when I was a teen, but it’s not the games’ fault

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    8 months ago

    With Elder Scrolls 6 development out of the concept phase and into full swing,

    They just started development.

    They have also learned some good lessons. However, let us dispel one notion. “Fans” did not cause the announcement 10 years before it’s development.

    Looking at the history, Microsoft bought Bethesda in 2021, and Elder scrolls was announced 2018.

    Which all things considered, is a three year gap.

    Regardless I stand by my conclusion if for the only sake that they would have zero motivation to leak this even if it was just an idea. “Just because of fans.” No CEO thinks like that. At least, none anymore.

    It was shareholders.

    Gamer can wait until the day a good game comes out, a company needs hype to build it’s brand for stock holders.

    Edit:

    But at the time of the announcement, Bethesda wasn’t a publically traded company, they were private, were they not? Which means they weren’t overly beholden to stockholders if I’m not mistaken? I could be totally wrong on that, though.

    Please go down below and congratulations to iheartneopets for pointing out the nose on my face.