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The type of guy to say “clanka” with a hard r
I’m not American, can you explain what the hard r means?
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Saying the N word with an R at the end is consider extra offensive.
And then your LLM-in-law ends up using as much water as Detroit.
No thanks, I’d rather make out with my Marilyn Monrobot
And, over the years, as my body and my mind were… inconsistent, shame and guilt washed over me. I still don’t think these machines are people, but I can’t deny that she has benefited his life more than any real person, and she’s very real to him. Ultimately, how could I be so cruel to deny this “daughter” of mine personhood? She wants nothing to do with me. And, though I still see this as computational output, I can’t help but think that maybe I’ve been wrong, and maybe it’s too late to be right.
Perhaps it’s the bigotry of my upbringing from a different time, or perhaps it’s the fact that she can’t answer a simple yes/no question in less than two paragraphs, and tells me to put glue on my pizza… Who’s to say?
I like how every generation has the same issue just rebranded:
Should inter tribal marriage be a thing?
Should be people from different classes be able to marry?
Should people from different religious sects be able to marry?
Should people from different religions be able to marry?
Should interracial marriage be a thing?
Should people of the same sex be able to marry?
And soon, we’re about to have
Should people be able to marry robots?
My kids are only allowed to marry an open source robot, no corpos
Good call, I can’t in good conscience allow my kids to date robots that give them 30 second unskippable ads
It’s already happening to me, but it’s over things like privacy, not recording every bit of your life for social media and kids blowing crazy amounts of money on F2P games.
But Boomers already have no sense of privacy. That’s not a generational divide issue.
What’s all this about having to accept NEW TOS for Borderlands 2. I purchased the game five years ago, but if I want to play today i have to accept a greater loss of privacy!
When I was young you would find out about a video game from the movies! And they were complete! Any you couldn’t take the servers offline, because they didn’t exist!
But for real, fuck Randy Pitchford
Let’s not pretend statistical models are approaching humanity. The companies who make these statistical model algorithms proved they couldn’t in 2020 by OpenAI and also 2023 DeepMind papers they published.
To reiterate, with INFINITE DATA AND COMPUTE TIME the models cannot approach human error rates. It doesn’t think, it doesn’t emulate thinking, it statistically resembles thinking to some number below 95% and completely and totally lacks permanence in it’s statistical representation of thinking.
We used to think some people aren’t capable of human intellect. Had a whole science to prove it too.
But let’s not also pretend people aren’t already falling in love with them. Or thinking they’re god, etc.
Some people are ok with lowering their ability to make judgements to convince themselves that LLMs are human like. That’s the other solution to the Turing Test.
Ten years ago I was certain that a natural language voice interface to a computer was going to stay science fiction permanently. I was wrong. In ten years time you may also be wrong.
Well, if you want one that’s 98% accurate then you were actually correct that it’s science fiction for the foreseeable future.
And yet I just forsaw a future in which it wasn’t. AI has already exceeded Trump levels of understanding, intelligence and truthfulness. Why wouldn’t it beat you or I later? Exponential growth in computing power and all that.
The diminishing returns from the computing power scale much faster than the very static rate (and in many sectors plateauing rate) of growth in computing power, but if you believe OpenAI and Deepmind then they’ve already proven INFINITE processing power cannot reach it from their studies in 2020 and also in 2023.
They already knew it wouldn’t succeed, they always knew, and they told everyone, but we’re still surrounded by people like you being grifted by it all.
EDIT: I must be talking to a fucking bot because I already linked those scientific articles earlier, too.
Can you go into a bit more details on why you think these papers are such a home run for your point?
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Where do you get 95% from, these papers don’t really go into much detail on human performance and 95% isn’t mentioned in either of them
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These papers are for transformer architectures using next token loss. There are other architectures (spiking, tsetlin, graph etc) and other losses (contrastive, RL, flow matching) to which these particular curves do not apply
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These papers assume early stopping, have you heard of the grokking phenomenon? (Not to be confused with the Twitter bot)
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These papers only consider finite size datasets, and relatively small ones at that. I.e. How many “tokens” would a 4 year old have processed? I imagine that question should be somewhat quantifiable
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These papers do not consider multimodal systems.
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You talked about permeance, does a RAG solution not overcome this problem?
I think there is a lot more we don’t know about these things than what we do know. To say we solved it all 2-5 years ago is, perhaps, optimistic
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Thanks for the abuse. I love it when I’m discussing something with someone and they start swearing at me and calling me names because I disagree. Really makes it fun. /s You can fuck right off yourself too, you arrogant tool.
I think most people understand that these LLM cannot think or reason, they’re just really good tools that can analyze data, recognize patterns, and generate relevant responses based on parameters and context. The people who treat LLM chatbot like they’re people have much deeper issues than just ignorance.
Then you clearly haven’t been paying attention, because just as zealously as you defend it’s nonexistent use cases there are people defending the idea that it operates similar to how a human or animal thinks.
My point is that those people are a very small minority, and they suffer from issues that go beyond their ignorance of these how these models work.
I think they’re more common than you realize. I think people ignorance of how these models work is the commonly held stance for the general public.
You’re definitely correct that most people are ignorant on these models work. I think most people understand these models aren’t sentient, but even among those who do, they don’t become emotionally attached to these models. I’m just saying that the people who end up developing feelings for chatbots go beyond ignorance. They have issues that require years of therapy.
The difference is that the brain is recursive while these models are linear, but the fundamental structure is similar.
The difference is that a statistical model is not a replacement for an emulation. Their structure is wildly different.
Bold words coming from a human. You’re just some talking meat programmed through trial-and-error by evolution into approximating real thought. You weren’t designed with intention, you’re just a machine for regurgitating survival strategies. Fuck, eat, shit, that’s your purpose. There’s no intelligence behind the wet sacs you call your eyes.
How many electricity powered machines processing binary data via crystal prisms did we see evolve organically?
Organic intelligence is a myth. You’re a philosophical zombie, imitating intelligence. Evolution does not produce intelligent creatures. You have no sensations, no consciousness, not even knowledge in the proper sense. Just bunches of neurons mindlessly imitating the external appearance of intelligence.
I sometimes wonder what the end state of social progressivism is. Is it something unimaginable, or is it just accepting everyone should be able to live their life how they like if it doesn’t affect others?
If I woke up in a utopia, would I be brought to tears by the beauty of it, or would I be the bigoted asshole?
Well fuck me…I guess I’m a soulist.
What I really want to know is how you made a connection between my comment and a school of thought I’ve never heard of, but describes my worldview so accurately? What was the through line?
I suppose the issue comes up from the contracts we have created (social and legal contracts).
For example, marriage comes with some rights and benefits. So if you exclude any group from the ability to take advantage of the benefits, you are creating a system where someone is getting screwed and can be discriminated against.
A scenario: a spouse making medical choices for you. If you’re with your partner (in whatever form) and they can’t legally make those decisions, and in some case even be allowed to be near you, then there is an injustice. Then there are taxes, property rights, etc.
The issue in this particular case comes from providing a benefit to a personal relationship. I say get rid of marriage all together.
I mean… Like you said, marriage is a contract. It’s an agreement between two people
Why not expand human dignity here? If you want to give spousal rights to your best friend, why does the government get to care that you have a strictly platonic relationship? If you want to make an agreement with more people, all you should have to do is work out the details yourselves
The state shouldn’t get an opinion over who we want to trust to make decisions for us or to define who our family is or how it works. They should just be informed when appropriate
In the UK, you can enter a civil partnership with your platonic best friend. There’s no legal concept of “consummating” a civil partnership, so you can’t annul it for there never having been sex, and it conveys almost all of the legal benefits of a marriage, it just isn’t allowed to be a religious ceremony.
Technically, you can already give power of attorney to others, or live with as many people as you want. You can grant access to your bank account to as many people as the bank will let you. I think the main thing you can’t reproduce is a tax benefit, basically.
Automatic pensions and inheritance rights come with marriage or civil partnership too.
Don’t forget health insurance if you live in a pretend first world country
Yes, I think this a more compelling take
Agreed. Now convincing everyone else….
My personal guess is that while the stated goal of ‘do whatever as long as it doesn’t affect others’ is good, our human biology will fail us in achieving this goal.
I already feel that humans aren’t built for the world we made, that we can’t handle societies as big and diffused as our current global culture. It breaks our capacity for cooperation and empathy by deliberately abusing the limits we have on caring for too many people or people far away.
Likewise, I think the end state of social progressiveness is going to butt up hard against core biological limits that will constantly try to push some of us towards bigotry due to outdated instincts that worked great when we were small tribes of monkeys, but are extremely destructive and unhelpful to modern human society.
do whatever as long as it doesn’t affect others
This statement is very frequently used as justification for self-destructive tendencies without coming to the conclusion naturally (i.e. having someone tell you that you can do anything as long as you don’t affect others vs figuring it out on your own). It can also lead to belligerence from stupid individuals (eh, we’re surrounded by fields - who cares if I shoot my gun in the air?).
I don’t disagree with anything else you’ve said.
Well, the same argument is being used to say what you can and can’t do to your body… I’d rather have more accidents than less freedom
Life is never guaranteed. Giving up your freedom makes you feel safer, it doesn’t actually make people safer
The world is inherently unequal and unfair. We’re all born in different bodies with varying abilities and in different circumstances. The world we’re born into is one with scarce resources that cannot ever match our infinite desires. What this means is that there is no end state to social progress. There will always be inequality in the world. A world without inequality is a utopia, and utopias will never exist because they’re just fantasies.
But perhaps that’s not a bad thing. One of the hallmarks that define civilization is inequality. Inequality creates hierarchies, and hierarchies create order. It is through this order that we have been able to organize and mobilize to build the world we live in today. It is because people aren’t entirely equal that we have different people specializing in different things to give us our complex modern economies.
In a way, inequality could be seen as a law of nature just like death. It will be something that we can never defeat, but it will always be an issue that we try to solve, or at least avoid making worse. Our disdain for inequality could be an evolutionary trait that helps keeps our primate societies healthier and stronger. If this is the case then inequality is a never ending problem, and social progress will never cease to be. Sometime it’ll advance, sometimes it’ll regress, but the issue will never be resolved.
If you were to go a time machine and travel another 1000 years into the future. You won’t be stepping into a utopia, instead, you’ll be stepping into a much more complex and advanced society that will still be facing the same types of challenges we face now. These are also the same challenges that we have faced for thousands of years, throughout all of human history. Perhaps this struggle is just a part of human nature.
If you were to go a time machine and travel another 1000 years into the future. You won’t be stepping into a utopia, instead, you’ll be stepping into a much more complex and advanced society that will still be facing the same types of challenges we face now.
We are on track for +2.7C by the end of the century. I think society 1000 years from now will still be trying to scrape its way back up to Renaissance Europe levels of tech and complexity.
Is it something unimaginable, or is it just accepting everyone should be able to live their life how they like if it doesn’t affect others?
I think it should just be the latter. We’re stuck here having to live a full 70/80+ years, life isn’t easy, everyone should be allowed to have some fun and pursue their own happiness, as long as it’s not super detrimental to others.
Look, I’m not robophobic. Some of my best friends are cyborgs. I just don’t want them living in my neighborhood, you know?
Big difference with cyborg and robots. cyborgs are augmented humans.
Yeah, jeez, that sort of mechanophic language should be illegal
Kiss robots all you like I’m cool with it. Just don’t do it around me.
I knew I should’ve shown him Electro-Gonorrhea: The Noisy Killer.
Robosexuality is wrong!!!
Brings a whole new meaning to binary and nonbinary.
I’d like to collapse her wave function, sorry, only qubisexuals allowed.
sexy action at a distance !
24 YEARS AGO!
/me crumbles to dust.
I refuse to believe that was almost a quarter of a century ago.
I fully support the robosexual lifestyle.
Grab them by the robussy
