• AlexLost@lemm.ee
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      So is shooting non-combatant reporters doing their job. You get what you pay for.

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        B-b-but whatabout all the rich people’s stuff 👉👈 🥺? Someday, I could have all of that rich people stuff and that could be my stuff on fire and that would make me so sad!

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            You absolutely correct. Breakdown of the law has been a problem in the US since the hard bank right into fascism. But I am way less bothered by throwing bricks at the cosplaying nazis and way more bothered by the unitary executive bullshit. We should have a president, which should be a glorified administrator working for the legislature. Not a king that ignores the law. If we need to burn some of the oligarchy’s shit to remind the orange asshole of this, so be it.

            • The execute bullshit is a legal power granted to the president. The brick throwing is literally assault with a deadly weapon I don’t see how u can justify that. It doesn’t matter what u think the president should be it matters what the laws of the country state that the president is. What laws are being broken in the case of la (well except the rioters)?

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                1. deportations by ice without due process in violation of court orders (this is what the people in LA are directly protesting)

                2. the president commandeering the national guard for domestic use in absence of an invasion

                  1. U have been misled. All people deported have already been issued with “final orders of removal” at which point the supreme court agrees you no longer have any right to due process. As that was forfeit when you failed to turn up to ur court appearance. Ie illegal immigrants where told hey ur here illegally come make ur case or ur getting deported. Said illegal immigrants then failed to show up at which point they where issued with “final orders of removal” most of these illegal immigrants where issued this years ago and have simply been illegally in the country ever since.

                  2. “10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government. Doesn’t need an invasion just needs danger of a rebellion. Attempting to murder federal officers and attempting to directly subvert the will of the federal government is by definition a rebellious act.

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                Not according to the Constitution which grants these powers to the Supreme Court who have stated that what Trump is doing is illegal

                • “10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government. Doesn’t need an invasion just needs danger of a rebellion. Attempting to murder federal officers and attempting to directly subvert the will of the federal government is by definition a rebellious act.

                  Where has the supreme court ruled that this deployment is illegal? Can u point me to it please?

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                    Is a riot actually a rebellion? No. Is breaking the law a rebellious act? No.

                    Was January 6 a riot or a rebellion?

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          Point of order:

          “Illegal” isn’t always “immoral”. “Legal” isn’t always “moral”.

          If one’s best defense is “it’s not technically illegal”, that’s a very weak spot to be in.

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          Dude, you’re a muppet if you think everything he has done is within the law. The only reason he is getting away with breaking the law is because the only check is the legislature’s power of impeachment and it has been captured by the fascists.

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              10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard In Federal Service

              (3): […] Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the states

              Trump specifically did not engage with Newsom in commandeering CA National Guard troops.

              18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus

              Whoever, except in cases and under the circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

              Using the military for ICE enforcement is against the law.

              Want more information? https://youtu.be/zJ7Dfca4_y8

              • “10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government. Doesn’t need an invasion just needs danger of a rebellion. Attempting to murder federal officers and attempting to directly subvert the will of the federal government is by definition a rebellious act.

                Where has the supreme court ruled that this deployment is illegal? Can u point me to it please?

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                  is by definition a rebellious act.

                  This is conflating “rebellious” with a rebellion. Rebellion is an uprising that resists and is organized against one’s government. The scale and degree matter, here. Your definition would turn any civil disobedience into a “rebellion” which is farcical on its face.

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                  10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard In Federal Service

                  (3): […] Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the states

                  Trump specifically did not engage with Newsom in commandeering CA National Guard troops.

                  You skipped over reading this part.

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          That’s strange, how has he lost so many court cases then (overseen by judges he appointed)

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      What is your sentiments on the looting of the capital on January 6th then? By that logic they should all be in jail for life for such a substantial escalation relatively speaking.

      • That’s not a comparison you want made. Maybe life might be a bit harsh but they should all have gotten long sentences. Not to mention that the jan6 rioters where more peaceful than these rioters. Ohh and jan6 happened because trump didn’t/was blocked from calling in the national guard to protect the city. So ur right but this doesn’t help your case.

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          How many LAPD officers have been killed so far? Thought so. Peaceful my ass, give yer balls a tug there fella.

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          Trump wasn’t allowed to call the national guard because he wasn’t president anymore you moron.

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            Trump was acting president on January 6th. The event that the insurrectionists were there to stop was the ratification of the election naming Joe Biden as the President starting on January 20th.

            Trump made the decision to not call in the National guard to help stop the insurrection which if carried out would have most likely left Trump in power.