Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.
The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.
Defederation is the best response imo.
It is funny to mention Trump around tankies and watch their heads explode. They can’t pretend Trump is a communist, but their propaganda masters don’t want them to turn against the Republicans, so they’re just in this weird space where the only thing they can do is aggressively avoid the topic at all.
I’ve seen them actively celebrate that they don’t suffer from “Trump derangement syndrome” like liberals (supposedly) do. The longer you watch them, the more pro-fascism you see slip through
Don’t forget the classical “liberals are the real fascist allies”
I’ll clear that one up since everyone here seems to be boldly making inaccurate claims. They say that because media outlets and people will spend more time analyzing and critiquing Trump eating McDonalds or typing covfefe than the US, say, drone striking innocent Afghani people or the utter shit show that Libya has become due partially to the efforts of Clinton and Obama.
hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist
https://lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true
The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.
Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.
It’s been like that since the past 100 years.
I’m not even sure they’re really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it’s blatantly apparent that they’re actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.
Yep, it’s easy to bait them too. You make a post or comment calling out tankies for supporting authoritarianism, and out of the woodwork scurry all the “socialists and communists” to downvote you.
Thing is, a real socialist or communist hates authoritarianism too.
They’re tankies in the original sense. The word came from an incident where there was an actual honest to god socialist movement when workers were seizing the means of production, and “communist” Russia sent literal tanks to shut it down. A reporter happened to observe the whole thing in person and tried to write up the story, but his editors would only print the official U.N. statement that the tanks were stopping a fascist movement.
Thanks I’ve been wondering where the term originated
[Looks around nervously]
Aren’t we gathering here too? This defederation seems like tankies not taking over.
Anecdotally I was in a bunch of actual leftist subreddits; I only departed because capitalists enshittified the whole website.
Maybe you just didn’t recognize it. Reddit leftist spaces were famously led by tankie mods.
Yup, you would call out their BS and you get banned. The system was perfect and no one is allowed to fully criticize it.
It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda
The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.
Are you saying MK ULTRA is just a conspiracy theory and never happened? I’ve watched documentaries on PBS, BBC and the History Channel. Clearly the program existed, as for what clandestine operations it ran, that’s certainly loaded with conspiracy theories.
If everything is a conspiracy theory, nothing is a conspiracy theory.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/history-of-mk-ultra
No, I didn’t intend any meaning like that. I just said it was the sort of thing discussed on the sub prior to a bunch of bullshit.
You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?
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Good riddance
Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.
You’re statistically more likely to advance your own interests through direct action than by being one of hundreds of millions of voters. Licking the boot of the lesser of two evils is less productive than focusing on building the environment you want.
It literally takes 5 minutes to go vote for most Americans, less if you early vote. If that is keeping you from doing direct action the other 364 days of the year you are just looking for an excuse to sit on your hands. The 2 are not mutually exclusive lol, lmao even.
Well, most of the time if you’re gonna vote you wanna be aware of what you’re voting for beyond “lemmy told me Sandra Buttocks is super cool and against electric guillotines for the poor”. Takes some time to evaluate people, parties and ideas properly. I was kind of obsessed with that “evaluation”, thought it was productive. Going to protests, being one in the hive, realized later I hadn’t built a life and a career that would support me well. Swapped my priorities and now I earn well as a software engineer, am building a new life I thought wasn’t possible for my family, moved them to another county instead of trying to replace the dictators cuz that’s less realistic. Simple shit that builds up. Want free healthcare? Move to free healthcare. More efficient than crying for it and becoming bankrupt.
“I can only do one thing. Engaging in any other thing is a betrayal of the first one.”
Huh I may have forgotten neurotypicals can do multiple things in one day 😂😭😂
Can we get the links/receipts/examples?
I’m onboard with the post, and glad to see Lemmy working as intended. Making a post (instead of silently defederating) is wonderful. That said, I think its very important to say “because of comments like X[link] and Y[link]” instead of “due to severity”.
Imagine if the roles were reversed and the CCP was saying they’re “defederating from lemmy.world due to severity”. Members should be given the 1st hand evidence, rather than 2nd hand opinions/summaries.
I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.
Good, are you defederated from hexbear as well? If not, please do.
About time.
Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.
May I see the hate speech?
Thank fucking god. It’s exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.
That’s a bummer. I’m a serious Capitalist but I kinda liked the Tankies and Pinks, they brought a fresh perspective and occasionally produced damn good memes.
The good news is that since I moved to another instance I’ll still get their stuff, kinda stinks for those of you homed on lemmy.world though.
You’re not a capitalist unless you own capital
I reported a comment stating that the US genocide of indigenous was “rightful conquest” and it’s still up. I totally get defederating.
Link it? That seems like the complete opposite of their views?
I know that’s why it seemed so weird why they wouldn’t moderate it.
But then I saw one of their moderators removed a video about how you can support Palestine for “fuck badempanada” (this badempanada) and just shrugged. Whatever it is is going on there i’m not going to get involved because it’s one of those things that usually resolves itself over time.
Lol, no you didn’t.
Lemmy.world is run by the feds
lmao an ml user mad about tankies getting defederated. Totally on-brand.
What’s the deal with lemmy.ml? I’ve noticed a more aggressive/4channy tone to it compared to lemmy.world but I can’t find any more information about it
It’s got a lot of tankies. Also, they’ll ban you if you say you hate tankies because they love tankies on .ml
Lemmy.ml is one of the major main Lemmy instances, and it has a bunch of the development crew for the project on the admin team and moderation squad.
The ML, incidentally, was picked to stand for Marxist-Leninist. The core Lemmy devs are very politically left leaning, but that usually doesn’t cause many issues because there are enough instances running the software that you’re not locked into their echo chamber.
The ML, incidentally, was picked to stand for Marxist-Leninist
That’s not true. At the time it was simply picked because the TLD was cheap.
I’ve read a few posts from that instance and just no. I myself are on the left but both lemmygrad and lemmy.ml is just not places I go to.
Lemmy.ml is perfectly fine and I’m there sometimes. I signed up there because it was described as being specifically free-software focused, though in reality it’s mostly a meme farm just like here. Lemmygrad is much weirder and I only looked at it for a minute or so. Its crazier political angles looked like mostly trolling to me, but who knows.
