This meme would be so relatable if I had any friends.
Friends are overrated, comrade!
Friends are capitalistic propaganda to make you easier to manipulate and control into working long hours so that some guy called “CEO” can show off all of his green pieces of paper to his friends /s
Average linux user
During last gamenight with the friends we decided to play halo infinite. We all had a good laugh that the two on windows were the only ones crashing
I would not let that live down tbh
i often play gta online with two friends who use windows. they have crashes, sounds disappearing, issues joining sessions and they keep falling through ground. on mint my only problem is no cursor in social club. my framerate is not great though, 80 - 100 vs on windows it stays above 120. except for the random massive lag spikes.
It’s hilarious to me that I have to jump through so many hoops to get my old games working on windows when they run almost out of the box on Linux, but on the flip side with all the launchers and shit built into AAA games today it’s a hassle to get them set up on Linux. Like once I do get them set up they work great. But lutris, proton versions, winetricks, etc to get them working is an activity
Many games might actually be DRM free without you realizing. Look them up on PC Gaming Wiki, and maybe you’ll like what you see.
With some games it’s as simple as launching them directly from the executable to circumvent annoying launchers and accounts.
Something most people probably don’t even think of doing anymore, and why would they. But it never hurts to try.
Oh yeah the older games work great on Linux, either with drm gone as you described or a no-cd or something. The windows issues with old games I was referencing mostly stem from old graphics driver requirements (things like dgvoodoo), compatibility mode, having more CPU cores than a game can handle, etc, but I’ve found very little of those issues on Linux.
On Linux I was referring to having to run like the EA launcher, Ubisoft launcher, rockstar launcher, etc for modern games. They are so finicky and such a hassle to set up, and because they are electron apps with custom code, so basically web browsers with embedded drm. You have to get the right combination of winetricks and proton versions to make them work without issue. I don’t blame Linux at all, I blame the stupid launchers and overwhelming drm
Did they play the cracked version or the Steam version?
It was the pvp multiplayer that’s free, so the steam version.
Me playing The Finals too, the other two crashing before the match and I was more like ‘I’m just hoping that I don’t get banned for playing on linux’
Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue, i was in this spot in the past for a long, long time, but Steam has made this work almost seamlessly for a great number of games
And then i got the Steam Deck and this went into overdrive
At this point i feel like Linux is a realistic option for a gamer, qualified of course (anti-cheat tech tends to break things, plus there’s a few problematic ones), but we are at the point where you can buy an AAA title and be relatively confident it will run on Linux (check first though)
I still can’t believe how good elden ring runs. Just about every single game i’ve played in my library has run acceptably for years now. The couple of games I had trouble with running like 5 years ago works nice now. Thank you steam/valve for the godsend that is proton and the deck. All hail gaben.
Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue
As a somewhat recent Windows expatriate (1.5 years I think?), I certainly recall more issues on Win11.
WE DON’T TALK ABOUT WINDOWS 11!
Break free of proprietary friends ^^
I definitely won’t be installing windows 11, so I’ll join soon
sudo apt-get friends to play games with
Error: package not found
tries AUR
Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package friends E: Unable to locate package to E: Unable to locate package play E: Unable to locate package games E: Unable to locate package withOff topic… But isn’t apt-get outdated? I thought it was just “apt install”
If you’re a user interacting with a terminal => apt
If you’re writing a script or putting it in a docker file/automation => apt-get
Apt is
just a wrapper around apt-geta newer binary than apt-get (I stand corrected after checking my memory against google) and there are warnings that the apt shorthand is not as reliable in scripted scenarios. Its meant for user convenience.Apt-get is most certainly not outdated.
I tried Arch once and they use Pacman for everything.
It’s like Pacman -sY to install. Makes no sense.
At least the AUR is cool.
One day, Linux will have a nice, unified, polished application portal (not store because god forbid we see a LINUX APP STORE).
For everything else there’s git.
Git clone Make Pacman -sY lethal company Sudo chmod +x ./home/user/games/lethal_company.x86_64
“Hold on guys I swear it works, Linux is just better, hold on”
AUR Proton_EasyAntiCheatHooks Man -k Nvidia-Propietary ./etc/Xserver.conf --display one --mode C1B3 --vsync off Sudo reboot -now
The crazy thing is, you would probably want to name it something direct and memorable like LINUX APP STORE to market it to the masses. Have a tag line like “it’s all free!” or whatever.
In the Super Bowl (no affiliation to c/superbowl) commercial, we’ll hear some grandma questioning whether the things on her new laptop were free from restrictions or free from cost, and her jock grandson will look right into the camera and say “yes!”
It’s like Pacman -sY to install. Makes no sense.
If you read the man page for pacman, it helps. S stands for synchronise, Q for query (local), F is for find (remote), R is for remove. The following sub options (yu after -S) are specific to each main option.
Best thing I found for Arch-based is yay.
yay -Syu yay (application name) It just searches repos and AUR in one go. Manages everything like Pacman. I quite like it.
Yay!
coughs politely in flatpak
Interesting… What other cool facts do you have?
this is why we habve no friends
aptis outdated, usenalaSudo lionking update && sudo lionking upgrade.
No seriously though, I aliased the
aptcommand tonalaand I use it instead.It works nicely with grc for colors in the console and more importantly it supports simultaneous downloads so it runs through a large queue of updates much more quickly.
This article has a bit more detail on the topic
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Funny way to spell emerge.
Friends converted over to using snap, so now they all bring their (loopback) devices.
Found the Nvidia user.
It’s such a pain in the ass. Every time I have a kernal update it’s time to go into single user mode and hit up lynx for the new graphics driver.
Fuck NVIDIA
do you mean their graphics cards or everything they make?
No idea what else they make, but my experience with theirs graphics cards is enough to dissuade a purchase of any of their other products.
What distro? Running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed here and used to have to do that too. It was awful.
They have an official Nvidia repo that works pretty great now though, and works between kernel updates.
…now if only updates would stop randomly deciding my computer can’t wake up from sleep anymore, that’d be lovely…
Why can/is openSUSE do/doing it but not others?
Will you’re almost free from that. I saw 6.7 uses the GSP firmware, so if you have a newer Turing card noveou (can never spell it) will be able to run games.
My issues have been proton with Nvidia, versions that work fine with AMD don’t work with Nvidia i can’t wait for NVK to be a thing.
For people who don’t know what NVK is.
https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/introducing-nvk.html
laughs in AMD
Must be a by-distro thing. On KUbuntu and Pop! I’ve never had any issues with Nvidia, though I know that they’re a pain in the ass to work with.
Same with Mint and LMDE, it just works.
Mint is remarkably stable. They even seem to put a barrier up against Canonical’s questionable decisions.
That distro needs more funding and more shout-outs.
Well it’s getting better, and fast imo. When I started using Linux some 4 years ago I could barely play anything in my library. If the game had online functionality in any way, chances were it didn’t run. That has gotten a lot better imo but Proton is still not where it needs to be. But things change and from what I, as a consumer, can see it seems like the biggest problem now are invasive Anti-Cheats rather than anything fundamentally breaking the games.
Edit: but yeah, it sucks when shit ain’t working and the small fraction of stuff not working is still a bit much to swallow
I’ve built my current gaming pc in april of 2022, installed ubuntu and really haven’t had any issues that weren’t solved by 5 minutes of googling
I prefer co op games anyway so there is no reason to be forced to opt into an anti cheat game but here we are.
for me it’s mostly because i specifically messed something up
As someone who was already only mostly playing single player games, the transition from Windows to Linux was so easy. All my games just work. The only multiplayer game I fuck with anymore is Battlebit Remastered, and that works great.
Since my style of learning is “jump in and figure it out as you go” (impulsive idiot), I’ve been very impressed with how much has just worked.
I’ve been afraid to recommend my set up to friends though because I don’t want to be their troubleshooter.
I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users. In fact, if it made it to mainstream, it’d probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc. How you may ask? Well, corporations have a lot of money and influence and I’m sure they could “find a way” if motivated to do so.
I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users
It already is mainstream. You probably own 10 times as many computers running Linux than Windows without even knowing it.
Desktop computers are a just a tiny part of the market.
it’d probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc.
Yeah, it did. It’s called Android.
Yeah, it did. It’s called Android.
Aren’t there Android versions that don’t have all the Google things and are open source? (GrapheneOS and LineageOS) If you’re just talking about your average android I’m afraid I agree and am an offender myself. (I hope to change that one day though)
Google still controls the source, and so they have influence over the rest.
It’s like Ungoogled Chromium. Sure, it’s open source. Sure, if might have Google crap removed. Google still calls the shots on the direction of the browser.
Same still meaningfully applies to Chromium-based browsers.
That’s good to know.
This is a dumb argument. Yes, my phone uses Linux. How many of the Android users actively come in contact with the underlying system?
Mainstream Linux means a big part of people actively choosing to install a Linux distribution or buy a computer or notebook with a real Linux distro pre installed (not that lightweight barebones distro they preinstall so they can sell it without Windows but with OS).
I use Gentoo, the family PC has OpenSUSE, only my wife’s laptop has Windows… Because guess what, she wants to use what she’s used to, what she knows.
Mainstream Linux means a big part of people actively choosing to install a Linux distribution or buy a computer or notebook
How is that mainstream? Desktop computers (including notebooks) are a niche market.
Apple uses *NIX, it will either become hardware specific versions or Linux where you pay for the OS with the hardware, or be like Red Hat where you pay if you want to do anything.
The idea is that the base should be open, so you can build whatever you want on top of it.
i have relinquished to windows. I log into all my pcs with my phone number now its so convenient i have like 4 licenses attached to it from buying hardware. They give me pennies for my data on Bing its hilarious ill get an Xbox 7 someday for free as a corpobitch
The new outlook though that is so ass. I expect windows 12 to be a much better experience and fully integrate the modern bloat like which sports team won last night right into my retinas!
Sounds like they gave you a free lobotomy too.
i needed it now i dont have enough neurons to experience distress
For everything else, there will always be the Debian Foundation.
This seems dated. I’m not saying there is no issues but man has it improved so much.
Improved =/= working 100% of the time
Ah, yes, not 100% of the time. You know, like Windows. Thanks for the laugh.
I use Android btw
Gotta get that Bingo Blitz!
Implying that windows is stable, lol
My whole thing even more than (gaming which is huge) is having to relearn how to make everything work. I was (i honestly have to say ‘was’ ugh) nearly a windows ‘power user’ for awhile, maybe peaked in my skills getting hardware running, programs and games running until win7 came out and shit just worked.
Nowadays when i go back to fix shit, or even just change a setting i have to relearn how to do it. Am i crazy or do they keep moving shit now? Fucking why? I have windows cuz inertia at this point but if i have to Google how to change basic Windows settings then there’s not much stopping me from tossing a match on Windows and walking away
So much shit keeps moving… Usually for NO REASON, even on Android run into it all the time.
Correct. There are still games that don’t work because there is actual work being done to make them not work.
I wonder where the problem is… must be Linux’ fault.
I am ignorant. Please explain.
DRM in many games doesn’t work on Linux. In some cases, like games that use EAC, this is technically just a checkbox at build time where they decide not to support Linux.
There are also some weird libraries and low-level interfaces that refuse to even work through wine/proton, but that’s pretty rare nowadays. You have to be actively trying to find something that won’t work at all on Linux.
I am ignorant. Please explain.
I assume using anti cheat and not including the files so it works on Linux. I’m of the opinion people shouldn’t buy games with anti cheat, but that’s just my opinion.
Meh i had to restart overwatch a few times because it has a bug where sometimes miving my mouse in any way causes me to look up and spin counter clockwise at an insane speed… So yeah theres that
It has but for multiplayer games and especially a game you never launched before there can be some friction.
It’s different for different people. The distro, the hardware, and the game can all have an effect on how often problems arise.
For sure, but just as an example I tried starting Black Mesa on steam yesterday, which has a native release, but had to tinker quite a bit to get it working. Unfortunately I think it’s often the case that the native releases gets forgotten and lags behind the windows/proton releases
Haven’t run into a game yet that doesn’t run on Linux when using Proton. 👌
Most of the games not running today would run perfectly if they did not have some bullshit anti-cheat implemented (Easy Anti-Cheat is I think the worst offender here).
Source: personal experience checking ProtonDB for games I want to play
Huh? Easy Anti-Cheat is the one that actually works for me on Linux.
see my reply to another comment here. I mentioned EAC simply because most games use it and don’t enable the required flag for Linux support.
Ah, TIL! Thanks :]
Battlebit Remastered ran fine with EZ anti-cheat through steam on Mint 21.3, with no exra steps required, just this week. Did something get fixed, or was I just lucky?
iirc Easy-Anticheat has a sort of “Lite” mode that also runs on Linux, enabling it makes the games work with Proton but iirc degrades the Anticheat capabilities on those Systems. Because the Linux Anticheat isn’t as effective (and because it’s an Opt-In) most games don’t use it.
Talking a lot out of my ass here but I think that’s how it was explained back when they made that change.
The only games that give me any trouble are some Japanese VNs, which can be absolutely cursed for some reason. Like, massive tech juggernauts like Cyberpunk are click and play, but I’ve spent hours getting books-with-PNGs working.
That’s because their code quality is usually an absolute dumpster fire that only works if Wine exactly replicates obscure Windows bugs.
Destiny 2 still won’t work, and Simracing is still a no go.
The simracing part is a real bummer. That’s the only reason I’m still on Win.
That just means you can’t buy 12 dlc to unlock the seasons, dungeons, raids, and whatever the hell else they’re paywalling. Destiny got enshittified.
I recommend warframe as a destiny alternative. But Beware! if you like the game you may sink thousands of hours into it
Ha, jokes on you, already Legend rank 3. ~I have no life.~
the one i am the most sad about is magicka 1 - great game but getting it to run on linux is (as far as i’ve found so far) pretty much impossible.
Won’t claim that it runs all that great on windows either though - getting through a chapter without crashing is rarer than i’d like it to be…
There are a couple, but I’m spoiled for choice with great games so the convenience of being able to run something on my Steam Deck means that the few that don’t run just drop to the bottom of the backlog. Proton is really a brilliant feat of engineering.
My problem is that I enjoy specific multiplayer games. League, Val, Finals. Those are the three right now and riot specifically seems a tad disinterested in Linux. Sadge.
League is owned by Tencent who is specifically interested in using the software for the benefit of the Chinese government as is mandatory for them. They don’t want you using an OS with actual security. Heck, they don’t even want you to see a skin or splash art that hasn’t been approved by their government!
The anti cheat in league is literally a rootkit.
When it came out there was an outcry and their statement was basically “okay okay, so its a rootkit. But guys, you can trust us! We’re totally not going to do anything nefarious with it!”
I can’t believe people still play that shit.
You mean Vanguard, which was announced but isn’t actually in the game yet. Their plan is to add it late February or early March. We don’t actually know any details about the implementation except that it won’t be used in the macOS version.
I thought it was going to be added this 24th, I was playing this week a lot as a “last goodbye” for that reason
Genshin Impact, anticheat thibjs you’re cheating, blocked until fixed. Happens every update.
Genshin works by now lol
As a novice, how does one use proton, and can I install StarCraft 2
You install it from within Steam,
or using flatpak if you’re installing Steam via flatpak[Proton on flatpak has reached EOL, try installing via Steam instead]. Then in settings you set it so every game uses the Proton compatibility layer, or whatever it’s called. You don’t have to do it per game, it’s a global setting (as well as a setting for each game if you prefer).I can’t answer for a specific game though, you’d have to simply try it out or check a database which has info on games that can run using Proton. I don’t know the site from memory.
Thanks for the info!
On Eindows, StarCraft 2 comes from the Blizzard battle.net launcher.
I’m curious to know if I get a steam deck if I can play non steam games. I don’t really want to install windows on it.
Let’s hope someone who knows about Steam Deck can answer that for you. Otherwise I’d try to find a community dedicated to Steam Deck. 👍
Ha yeah I’ll investigate. I believe it has a desktop you can get to with browser etc, and it’s based on Arch. So perhaps it’s possible somehow.
Thanks anyway
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I mean, some games do not work. Because they do not work on Windows as well. Looking at you, ksp 2 🤦♂️
It’s such a shame about KSP 2. I was so hyped when I saw it was announced, then it all turned to shiz.
Maybe i bricked something in my machine somewhere when messing with drivers for machine learning cuda support. But I often have games that are ‘supported’ through proton but fail to launch or even crash my PC. Metro exodus & deep rock to name a few. Other games do run great. But still things like steam big picture being laggy is annoying.
yeh that’ll probably be it tbf… the cuda drivers are specifically for scientific computing and are pretty rubbish for anything else unfortunately… even amd ones are like that :(
however a way i found around it is to just push my gpu compute envs to docker and voila (also avoids the pain of installing the drivers cos nvidia actually provides a cuda docker image) :D
That’s actually a good tip. Even though I don’t use CUDA and never have.
Haven’t run into a game yet that doesn’t run on Windows.
Without the need to fiddle with any settings. It is all just click and play.
Same experience on Linux for me. Install Steam, install Proton, set it to be default for all games. Click and play. 🙂👍 Not really “fiddling”. It’s a one-time thing that I equate to just installing Steam. Very good experience.
I pretty much only have issues with ea stuff. I was playing it takes two, and it was like 50/50 if it would work for me. It always worked for my friend on windows.
The Finals works on Linux!
In other news, I got a message saying I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux.
I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux
How is that not illegal?
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For me it’s mostly games that work for everyone else on Linux.
Are you saying you haven’t been able to get it to work?
GtaV on Steam just doesn’t start since years and on multiple computers. Same for others who generally are considered good on proton.
Online game… Hm, anti cheat kicking in? Any error messages, GUI or in console?
Sadly no, offline games, steam only tells me on cli it shut them down
this is exactly me every time i’m showing someone how easy it is nowadays to run games in linux, only for the game that was running perfectly the previous night to throw some random error and crash my system
The only time I have trouble with Linux gaming is either a multiplayer game I want to play isn’t supported or some Visual Novel having random issues every once in a while. But this meme is still true lol.
Impossible, I’ve had Linux users swear to me that gaming on Linux is now perfect and even better than on Windows!
I’ve had people tell me that they experience better performance running games on Linux through Proton compared to running them natively on Windows. A while back, I decided to try Windows for the first time since 2002 on actual hardware. With TF2, I encountered significantly more crashes & lag compared to running it on my Arch install…
I can echo this. My games do have better performance running on pop_os rather than Windows.
This seems to be the Windows/Linux yinyang in gaming.
If you go through the effort (or non-effort. It really seems to be luck-based) of getting a gaming rig working in linux, 99% of the time it is simply better at everything, crashes less, etc. The 1% can require hours or more of troubleshooting.
Windows runs slower and worse than linux, and arguably less stable. But you boot up, click play, and (largely) it just plays.
That’s also my recent experience with Ubuntu on a gaming laptop. Every single step of the way gives me trouble, but when I manage to run something in the linux side, boy does it run well. So I’ve got this nice “todo” since I already blew my only free day on it last weekend.
A friend of a friend tried daily driving Ubuntu recently & had a few problems (some of which were gaming related). They eventually switched to Linux Mint and pretty much most of their problems seemed to disappear…
Interesting. I wish I could bring myself to like mint. I’ve typecast myself as an ubuntu-head ever since I went full “Elder Price” with the CDs back at my first dev gig.
I’ve never used mint myself, but I’ve heard good things about it. Last time I used Ubuntu on actual hardware was around 2008 I think. For the most part I’ve been using either Arch, Debian or Fedora…
It usually goes like this:
- in certain games, with certain (usually low-medium) settings, without raytracing, with proprietary drivers if nvidia
If you’re getting crashes and lag on TF2, that’s your pc. Do you have to hand crank it or something?
I have to wait for the vacuum tubes to warm up when i turn it on
See I only got lag & crashes on windows, when on my Arch install I had/have no problems whatsoever. I haven’t used windows since 2002 & don’t really plan on doing so any time soon, the install was just to quickly see what windows 10 was like compared to Linux…
Its not perfect, but its really damn good.
Just takes a little patience and research, mostly to find out if the type of games you generally play use invasive anticheat/drm or not, since those are the most likely to not run.
but I wont say protons perfect. I’ve had a few games with issues, some big, some small… All usually get fixed with time, though, and now those games run great.
But in the interest of laying it all bare, I will say the 1 enduring issue I have is how janky it is to get Vortex to work for modding games, specifically Skyrim and Fallout 4… but thats less a proton/linux issue, as it is a Vortex issue. Big strides would be made with a linux version, but Vortex is just jank in general, even on windows.
And To be clear, I say its jank. Not impossible. I modded the shit out of my Fallout 4 install just last night. but to do it I have to launch the game with STL, use that to launch vortex, the use vortex to launch F4SE.
edit I just discovered Mo2 linux installer, and oh my god its so much easier…can even download direct from nexus with the vortex download button.
Having problems with games sometimes is better than having less problems with games at the cost of your system being bloated, slow and designed in such a way that when it breaks you can’t do anything about it besides sfc /scannow and when that doesn’t work as usual, a complete os reinstall. Linux saves me time but that’s only because it’s possible to have the skill to fix all the random issues you run into, unlike with Windows.
I have actually only had one singular issue with gaming in the last year (time frame. Not 2024) and that is fixed by restarting the game
“ah shucks, Windows Update just initiated a reboot without asking, guess I’m out for the night guys”
I hate Windows, but this has never happened neither to me nor my friends. (Granted I only have like 3 friends who use it regularly)
I had Windows 10 do it once over however many years i was using it (was a fairly early adopter), and Windows 11 has never done it.
Anyone who can easily use Linux can just make Windows not do that kind of shit, and not auto-update, and block the connection from basically all Windows processes.
They’d prefer to learn nothing, blame the OS for not looking and operating exactly like Linux, and then claim it sucks not for the reasons it sucks but because they can’t be bothered to try.
It happened to me often!
Part of that I’m sure it’s the fact that I work nights, but Windows refuses to acknowledge that during my work hours is not an appropriate time to install updates.
Simply stepping away to get a coffee or use the restroom is enough for Windows to decide now is the time to reboot and install updates for an hour or so and you better hope you saved everything before stepping away.
As a matter of fact, one of those instances is the one where the update broke my bitlocker encryption and I lost everything that wasn’t backed up. That was my last day using Windows.
Was it your personal computer or a company managed computer? Either way, when to automatically start updates is just a setting that’s easily set. As is the “pause updates for X weeks” so that you have more weeks to do an intentional reboot. There might be some major security patches they’ve forced through anyways? But I don’t think I’ve had any windows update issues since like 2017 or 2018.
It was not managed, honestly I should’ve disabled bitlocker, I just never expected it to be a problem.
As to settings for when it installs updates, they didn’t seem to stick or were not always respected in my experience. I spent a bit of effort trying to make sure it wasn’t configured to do that but it would still just go for it anyway if the system ever became idle after midnight or so.
Anyway this story has a happy ending because after that I decided to give daily driving linux another shot, and none of the issues I had experienced previously still exist here.
In fact, incredibly enough I have found on average that the games I play perform better on Linux now than they did on Windows.
And my OS never installs updates without my permission, let alone forcing an unscheduled reboot.
I think that only happens when you don’t use windows for many months, which might be true for Linux users
I switch to linux becouse I was having regular forced updates (that would then bluescreen, only to revert and try again a day later)
This hasnt happened to me since vista days lol
Everyone in the comments: “Actually I don’t have the same problems so this is wrong”
That’s because Steam/Proton has mostly solved this (with some qualified notorious exceptions), which used to be a real problem even just a few years ago, but not remotely as much these days; the meme is mostly outdated by now, I’ve lived both cases and it used to be a pain but these days? people are spoiled by Valve and many have never lived the OP situation (which is great news!)
“I don’t have the same problems anymore so this is outdated”
Ftfy
Still applies though. “Oh but it used to be worse”
Obviously I can’t speak for everyone, but personally speaking I’ve had no issues playing the multiplayer games I play, which (in my particular situation) puts me above at least one of the windows users in my group
Installing things not through steam can take longer sometimes, but I always made sure to do that ahead of time anyway
Yeah, I mean, the best thing to do is to get it working ahead of time.
The same is true no matter the OS, It’s always good to be prepared ahead of time
